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Hi Lizzy

The first time I was pretty scared. The thing is not to do it if you don't feel safe.

Margaret Wirkus told us that this is how Nostradamus wrote his predictions ... he had a mirror on one side and a candle on the other. But for me, I've only seen a ton of grief and heartbreak the first time ... thought I would die ... and it was done and didn't come back ... then I saw different faces with my eyes. I liked most of them. It doesn't stay, it pulses, it comes and goes, it all comes and goes.

I haven't tried it without my little orange dot. But now, in groups of people meditating, I sometimes see everybody's light body and this makes me happy.

Sylvia

Well ~ the perfect time to have tried it would've been this long weekend [holiday here tomorrow ~ Veterans Day], but my printer isn't working ~ at work! And, the guy who always fixes the malfunctions has already left for the weekend . I still tried it, just in case ~ no luck. So, now, nothing till next week. Interesting tidbit about Nostradamus.

This friend was, I think, overly concerned ~ as I was attending some group things, and we were doing various exercises, and she reverted to a situation years ago, where a woman friend ~ with her husband in the house ~ 'left her body' and nearly never made it back. I resisted the obvious joke of relating that possibility to her and the husband's relationship . However, I didn't feel in danger at all.

Extremely interesting possibilties also come along with this, though, don't they? Like what sometimes happens with you when you're meditating in groups of people .

~ Lizzy

My teacher master Yap teaches meditating on the light, which is the light that lives in all of us. His mediataion is very liberating as he encoufrags us to look at the light and enjoy it. Turn on the light play with the light see the light as if through the eyes of a child. Once when I was meditating i saw light in the palms of my hand very cool.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein
Quoted on pg. 289 of Adventures of a Mathematician, by S. M. Ulam(Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1976). Apparently these words also occur somewhere in What I Believe (1930).

Thank you Sylvia, I'll try this. It seems to me as difficult as playing, let say, a Mozart piece on the piano, to me who can not play the piano. In my teenage I made an astral voyage it was very peculiar, but now, I wonder if I had just dream this. But I don't think so. I was afraid to leave my body "alone", I was afraid that something bad happened to it while I would be away, and I did not se the purpose of such an exercice, to say the truth. I did not go far, just over the roof of my parent's house. And I felt the energy of an Old Tree, is was, wow, special, and everything was vibrating differently, more energetic. No guys, I was not on anything, not even on aspirine. Strange, mysterious things are appealing to me, but once I have did this experience, my taste for extra body trips was satisfied. I was a yoga adept for many years and this is allow the energy to circulate in the body to permit a very sensitive perception. I also experienced many weird things in this regard. Enough to know that those kinds of things are existing.

I'll try this anyway out of curiosity more than anything else, at this point of my life. I'll let you know what happened.

Tri-me, nice thing this playing with the light way to meditate.

Tchoc put me onto this thread, which I have just started reading through. Just wanted to copy a few quotes I agree with:

Sylvia said:

When it (the emotional body) is conditioned by past experiences and, even worse, by denials as in forgetting, suppressing, repressing feelings, then we can lose the energy in it that is given to help us live.

Tchoc said:

I think that emotional intelligence is under estimate in regard of intellectual intelligence and that it makes people out of balance. As our societies are made of us, the consequence are...

Fljots said:

I'm... ambivalent. Part of me is very practical and down-to-earth; but part of me sees what you are saying. Sort of. I don't know that I ascribe it to any 'god' thing, though. (I'm an atheist, pure and simple, after giving the matter deep consideration over many years.)

Tri-Me said:

As the emotional states improve of course you will be able to remove depression.
I remember reading or hearing Leonard saying that he realized the source of his depression was that he was thinking about himself too much. AH HA yes releasing the grasp of self is very important

I agree with all those quotes.

Sylvia said:

How can you think you are not a mystic and you are liking music from Leonarch Cohen ... you must be a closet mystic ...

I like that, Sylvia. I think I must be a ‘closet mystic’ .

But I also agree with Fljots:

Can I say... perception of beauty comes with the species. I don't think it needs a god.

Tri-Me said:

Comparitive religion is very interesting, as long as your karma does not run over my dogma I am happy to listen. All religion speak of love and compassion, respect for others. There are just different ways of presenting the materials.

That’s true. Athiests, who locate their true nature, are also naturally compassionate.

Boss said:

As I grow, Sylvia, I grow into G-d. That all encompassing being that dwells inside me, and out. The beauty of G-d is that you can divide zero into Him/Her and get a result. It is Mystery. It is Love. It is Creation.

I believe that when we locate our humanity within, and experience, express and share the tender emotions of sadness, joy and compassion, then that is a big part of what is godly/spiritual.

Boss said:

the very essence of 'healing' a wounded soul is by mourning. You can use books, religion, music or psychoanalysis to help but mourning or grieving is the only ticket home.

I agree with that, Boss.

Tchoc said:

Rage and being mad like hell is a step of grief. In this regard one could compare feelings to a child, one has to take great care about, but make it clear that this is not the child that rules the house. For example one can admit that one would be very pleased, to, let say, scratch the new car of an ex with a set of keys, without having to pass to the act, and without a feeling of guilt for having these kind of thoughts and feelings. It is difficult to recognize those kind of emotions because they are considered asocial.

Yes, we need to recognise and express all our emotions in order to feel centred. We don’t have to take our anger out on a person, or be destructive. Taking it out on a punch-bag or screaming whilst alone in the car is just as effective.

No time to write more just now, and I haven't even finished reading to the end. Interesting thread. Thanks.

Diane.

Nipped back in to finish reading:

Syvia said:

But now, in groups of people meditating, I sometimes see everybody's light body and this makes me happy.

I have been in groups of people meditating, and although I didn't 'see' any lights, I could the sense the compassionate humanity in the room. An image of a person in meditation always makes me feel very peaceful. That's why I so loved the picture Tchoc brought to the forum, a few weeks ago, of Leonard in zazen.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

That's a great quote Tri-Me

Tchoc said:

I was a yoga adept for many years and this is allow the energy to circulate in the body to permit a very sensitive perception.

Very interesting, Tchoc. Thanks for all the stories told here.

Love,

Diane

Diane, 'Glad that you find your way, there!

Re : the expression of emotion, maybe I did not explain what I meant in the correct way to be well understood : really I'm not sure if the expression of emotion is always necessary. I rather think that the sole recognition (not denial of) them are necessary. Once one is aware of the exact feelings, one may decide what is the more appropriate behavior to adopt under the circumstances. This is what I meant.

And also that some feelings are more difficult to recognize than others due to the social approval (or not) of them.

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I know my previous post may appear like lies-full-my-mouth, but I could have swear on the Bible it happened like this. I was practising the astral trip techniques for few/many evenings and one night oups here I went out of my body in full consciousness. But now, really, it is a long time ago, and I'm not sure if it was not a very realistic dream after all. I will live with the doubt for the rest of my life, because I have no intention to go that way anymore. It is not very important to me.

For the rest, I won't tell, but this : when the emotion are ressented in a very intense way, I think it creates a kind of wavelength. This is why maybe the sceptics rarely experience these kinds of things : 1) they don't do the necessary technics; 2) they are usually very pragmatic people, not very emotional, therefore not very tuned on those wavelengths. It is not very important to me also.

Just awfully interesting, this subject.

Now excuse me I have to eclips myself of here until next Monday - at least. See you!