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margaret
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Re: The Forum software has been updated!

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Hmmm...
I am not very technical so don't understand where I can find my browser settings or what "cookies" are :shock:

The only place I can find "cookies" mentioned is at the bottom right of this page where it says next to Team, delete all board cookies. Should I click on this this or not?

I usually come straight to the forum, not from a link in the Files. The problem seems to occur when coming in from a link to an email notification about a topic or private message.

It's not a big deal, just puzzling :?
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Don't click on the "Delete cookies" button! That only removes the cookies from your computer and then you will not be logged-in when entering.
The problem seems to occur when coming in from a link to an email notification about a topic or private message.
It's possible that this is not only the question but also the answer to the problem! If you use a link somewhere to get to the Forum, perhaps the cookies are not checked and you enter as a visitor. I have similar experience if I enter using the Files links.
What happens if you enter using the URL http://www.leonardcohenforum.com (by writing this in the URL box, or clicking this link in your "Favorites" folder)? Are you then logged-in?
If this theory is valid then there is nothing we can do ourselves - the software developers should do something with the problem.
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Thank you Jarkko,
a direct link to the forum itself in my bookmarked favourites is usually OK and logs me in. Will live with it!

Margaret
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There is another issue that came up on my forum (right there in the sig :) ). A few people are using over eager Internet providers (Verizon in the US is one of them) who seem to find it necessary to change the IP address of users at a rate that is just utterly silly. This can lead to loss of sessions, as the forum sofware thinks you are a different person then.
You are for example in the middle of writing a post. It's a brilliant post, so you take some time, but in the meanwhile your IP address is changed. You press the submit button and suddenly it tells you to log in again... Highly annoying. I altered a setting in my forum, which solved this problem. Don't know if it's an issue here.
AOHell is using proxies for their Internet access, this can cause problems too. Similar to the one described above.

Wens
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Wens
Does this only happen when the post your writing is brilliant?
You only have to let the soft animal of your body
love what it loves.

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No, long stupid posts suffer from the same problem. ;)
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Wenslauw wrote:
You are for example in the middle of writing a post. It's a brilliant post, so you take some time, but in the meanwhile your IP address is changed. You press the submit button and suddenly it tells you to log in again... Highly annoying. I altered a setting in my forum, which solved this problem. Don't know if it's an issue here.
Indeed some members have told that they have lost a long message before it was finished. You have probably found the reason - I will make the same changes in the settings (and thanks to you Wens for giving the details in email!)
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Jarkko wrote: However, I have noticed that if you come to the Forum
using the links on the front page of the Files,
then you have to log-in again.
I have not yet found explanation to this;
must be some kind of conflicting cookies.
I think it's a security "feature",
having to do with "cross-domain security",
and framesets.

because the Files
http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com

and the Forum
http://www.leonardcohenforum.com

are really different "domains".

So, if you're logged in to the Forum
and then left-click on the "Forum/Message Board" link
on the Files front page http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com ,
so that the Forum page appears in the right-side frame
of the Files fameset, then this Forum page is not really
in its proper http://www.leonardcohenforum.com domain.
Rather, it's in the File's frameset's domain, http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com
where it doesn't have access to http://www.leonardcohenforum.com cookies.
So you won't still be logged-in, that way.

On the other hand, if you were logged in,
and right-clicked on the "Forum/Message Board" link,
and used "Open in a New Tab" or page or whatever,
-- in other words, if you "break out of the frameset",
then the new independant page will be in its proper domain.
And so you'll still be logged-in, that way.

I think this is one reason why "framesets" are "depreciated".
(And they can be complicated. But I am not
convinced that they're really all that bad.
All the alternatives anyway, it seems to me,
are either worse, or not ripe yet.)

Anyway, this annoying behavior is really about
a patched vulnerability (See quotes below)

The domain security model has been a moving target
over the last several years, and several sudden changes
in it have caused a lot of cursing.

But you have to think positive.
It's like when your alarm clock goes off in the morning,
- it really means that another angel has gotten its wings.
Which is a good thing.

Likewise, whenever something about the internet sudden
breaks for no good reason, it usually means that another
vulnerablity has been patched.
Which is always a good thing.
What is meant by "IE's cross-domain security model"?
One of the principal security functions of a browser is to ensure that browser windows
that are under the control of different web sites cannot interfere with each other or access
each other's data, while allowing windows from the same site to interact with each other.
To differentiate between cooperative and uncooperative browser windows, the concept
of a "domain" has been created. A domain is a security boundary - any open windows
within the same domain can interact with each other, but windows from different domains cannot.
The "cross-domain security model" is the part of the security architecture that keeps windows
from different domains from interfering with each other.

The simplest example of a domain is associated with web sites.
If you visit http://www.microsoft.com, and it opens a window to http://www.microsoft.com/security,
the two windows can interact with each because both belong to the same
domain, http://www.microsoft.com. However, if you visited http://www.microsoft.com,
and it opened a window to a different web site, the cross-domain security model
would protect the two windows from each other. ...

-- http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securi ... 0-009.mspx
Does this vulnerability let a browser window read what's in another browser window?

Almost. In this case, the issue is the ability of a window to read a frame
that's in a different domain. A browser window can contain frames
- subdivisions of a window that operate independently of each other.
An example of a window that uses frames would be a web page
in which a navigation bar on one side of the screen stays fixed
while the content in the center of the screen changes as you make your selection.

The navigation bar is in one frame, and the content is in another.
If the frames belong to different domains, the IE cross-domain model
should protect them from each other.
However, in this vulnerability, flaws in two functions allow this protection to be breached.

What happens in this vulnerability?
In this vulnerability, a malicious web site opens a browser window on the user's computer.
Within that window, the site opens a frame, and displays a file from the user's local computer in it.
This is legitimate usage, but the window and the frame are in different domains
- the window is in the web site's domain, while the frame is in the local file system domain
- so the cross-domain security model should prevent them from reading each other's data.

However, implementation flaws in two functions allow the window to access the data
that is displayed in the frame. This would allow script running in the window
to send the contents of the frame to the malicious user's web site.

What's the flaw in the functions?
The functions do not check which domain the frame is in
before giving the window access to it.

-- http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securi ... 0-033.mspx
"Unauthorized Cookie Access" Vulnerability: Frequently Asked Questions
What's this bulletin about?



Microsoft Security Bulletin MS00-033 announces the availability of a patch that eliminates a vulnerability in Microsoft® Internet
Explorer. Under some conditions, the vulnerability could allow a malicious web site operator to access cookies that have been placed
on the computer of a visiting user by other web sites. Microsoft is committed to protecting customers' information, and is providing
the bulletin to inform customers of the vulnerability and what they can do about it.

-- http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securi ... 0-033.mspx

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Re: The Forum software has been updated!

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This might help some: ....

If you make an html page (call it "LC_Forum.html")
out of the following code,
(change YOUR-USERNAME to your username,
and YOUR-PASSWORD to your password)

then you've got a 2-click longon method.

Code: Select all

<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>LC Forum</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="CADCEB" >
<br><br><br>
<a href="http://www.leonardcohenforum.com" >Goto LC Forum</a>
<form action="http://www.leonardcohenforum.com/ucp.php?mode=login" target="_blank" method="post" id="login">
<input type="submit" value="Login to LC Forum" />
<input type="hidden" name="username" value="YOUR-USERNAME" /><br>
<input type="hidden" name="password" value="YOUR-PASSWORD" /><br>
<input type="hidden" name="redirect" value="index.php" /><br>
<input type="hidden" name="login" value="Login" /><br>
</form>
</body>
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Re: The Forum software has been updated!

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Don't know if this is a general thing, but for me it always takes ages till a PN is getting sent.

I wrote one at about 11.50am before lunch today and now I've been for lunch and back and it's still in the Outbox.

Any ideas?
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The reason it still shows in you outbox is because the person you sent it to has not yet logged into the Forum to collect it and read it. It shows as "sent" when it has been received.
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I see. Ta much.
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The threads have this blur or red symbol on the left now. I have learned that if it is blue, I have read it, and if it is red, there is something there that I have not yet seen. That's handy, but I have also noticed that some of these little circles have a star. What does the star mean?
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I think the star indicates that you have posted in that particular thread.
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We can bold, italicize, grow and shrink, color and underline the text, but is there a way to center something or to make additional spaces in the text we write here? I've tried the little tricks I know, but as you can see, [align="center"]here's my centered text [/align] and &nbsp just show up like regular text. Please teach this middle-aged fox a new trick.
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