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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:25 am
by Miranda
Dear Lizzytysh,

I don't understand your anger towards me. I didn't say these were terrible people. I said their writing was terrible. You on the other hand, have informed everyone that I am arrogant, pompous, presumptuous, and judgmental.

And I not trying to keep anyone from posting their work. And I certainly do not want to vet them. I think that anyone who puts their "poetry" out on the internet for others to read had better be able to take the lumps as well as the praise.

Miranda

P.S. Yeah, I do think "all poets, would-be poets and wannabe poets" should "sign up and ace Poetry 101, 102, and 103." Maybe they would get a clue.

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:12 pm
by lizzytysh
Get a clue as you have, Miranda? Did you sign up for and ace Reader 101, 102, and 103? Through whose credentials did you pass? Nor do I recall saying that you said these were terrible people. I have plenty words accessible through my own mouth, Miranda....I surely don't need you to put any there.

When people take unwarranted stances of judgmentalism regarding the personal works of others it becomes "soooooooooo" easy to be deemed pompous. As they put their works out there to receive your judgement, why would you be so surprized to receive mine. The only thing you've offered is a personal judgement ~ not even graced by analysis, support, or development. Hence, please contain your surprize regarding my "anger" with what I consider to be your audacity. Why not include some of your own poetry or writing for public consumption and ridicule? So far, your thinking process isn't holding up. In that that's all you've given me in this public arena, it's all I have to comment upon.

In one of your [presumably?] university/school classes, have you tried raising your hand to offer the conclusion, [not even stated as opinion, but stated as fact, and a fact that anyone can see on top of it], that something is "soooooo" bad [end of statement] and gotten away with it? If so, check around for a "good" professor/instructor next term. One who requires justification for one's conclusion, the art of critical thinking and all that, not just a "conclusion" in itself.

~ Lizzytysh

P.S. See nico's post on the "Leonard....5 feet tall" thread as a prime example of the critical-thinking, development, analysis, support, etc. idea I'm referring to.

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:37 am
by Young dr. Freud
Notes on the patient, L


Second Session:


L's speech becoming increasingly garbled. Mutters constantly about the emotional state of the world. (Bell Jar syndrome)

Exhibits bellicose behaviour. Talks of "slicing away at real people". (24-hour observation may be needed)

Shouts that presumptuous people are trying to put words in her mouth. (Paranoia neurosis prominent)

Demands that everyone write poetry and post it on the internet. (Dictatorial id)

Thinks Leonard is "...5 feet tall". (Hallucinatory, reduce medication)

Patient storms out of office...orders therapist to go back to school.


Young dr. Freud

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:53 pm
by lizzytysh
It took you that long to come up with this, eh? Well, it shows. I'll leave you to your notes......."He wrote himself a prescription / and her name was mentioned in it. His body is gone / but back here on the lawn / his spirit continues to drool."

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:14 pm
by jurica
lizzy,

do not get offended by this guy. i think he is amusing, and i don't think he means anything bad.

Jurica

When we post

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:35 pm
by George.Wright
I think this whole discussion is so amusing. To think we are arguing about the very forum that brought us here, and taking snipes at the poets? Why create a section for poets not to be used, Dr Freud? Who cares if it's rubbish, Miranda? This forum is to get all like minded people together, of course the diffrences are amusing and generate intrest and healthy debate. Thats why you need rubbish, however that don't make it Junk!!
Georges

ouch

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:31 pm
by LaurieAK
geez, i first posted to this board back in November(?) after being a specatator for some time and having finished a 'poem' reflecting my thoughts and 'feelings' about LC. It didn't take long to see there was alot of history going on behind the scenes around here and in some cases just plain face-slapping rudeness directed at some folks. Not a comfortable situation in any forum (pardon the pun). I have been away for awhile and just dropped in for an update. Now i wish i hadn't. Sharing poetry in a public forum is a leap of faith. I thought that because the man of honor around here is a Poet, that the poetry section would at least be viewed as a topical, relevant subject, regardless of the 'degree' any writer may or may not have hanging on their walls. I have broad shoulders and DID take that leap to share some of my writing on the poetry forum, so i guess i asked for whatever is dished out. Live and learn. I do apologize especially to Miranda for having disappointed her (or maybe living down to her standards). Maybe a vote is in order and the poetry section dispensable. If it is as bad as some believe, it is a disservice to Mr. Cohen to be on a site in his honor. Again, i apologize for my contribution to such 'bad works.' Arrividerci, Laurie in Alaska

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:59 pm
by Linda
About the only thing I have in common with the majority of you on this forum, I am finding out, is my love of LC and his music, I do believe at some point when I first joined this board that I had more in common, but maybe not. There are a few wonderful people that I am in personal contact with that I met here, however.

Once again a thread is being made too personally by certain individuals. Why is that? Could it be attention? Because Miranda and I do not appreciate certain poems on the poetry section is no need for the attack made on her. This whole issue is being turned into something it is not by a certain individual again. I am becoming very good at filtering this forum, and a gem does comes along every now and then, so don’t give up Miranda. Keep focused on why we come here in the first place.

Peter, I get your message, and for those of you who want to use that word you think will improve your speech so much, go ahead it might help. Like I said I am very good at filtering. I am offended by it but hey, if it makes your day, go for it. I won’t hire you if you I am interviewing you for a job and you throw it around however. Not where I come from.

I find Young dr. Freud to be amusing. The poetry section great for those who enjoy it.

But like minds, I doubt that very much.

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:15 pm
by June
I have not posted for a long time.

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:41 pm
by Partisan
Good grief. We installed the poetry section to stop all this. I was at the front of the queue knifing the "lousy little poets". However even I am happy to leave them alone in their ghetto.

Anyway, I only just noticed we have a new option on the voting, which isn't fair as I already voted!
I have not posted for a long time.
Well I think that as you have only posted once before according to your profile it is a stretch to say you were ever really a significant contributer June.

p.

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:53 pm
by June
I can read the words on this forum, and often do. Anyway, it's too early in the morning to start using my brain. I'm not awake yet.

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:06 pm
by Linda
This is becoming Lizzytysh on the playground again. How boring is that!

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:23 pm
by lizzytysh
Oh, I don't know..........perhaps as boring as you, Linda :wink: ? If my being an advocate for the rights of others to contribute to a section dedicated strictly to them, without risking derision from someone who has clearly not aced Reader 101, 102, 103 [for if they had, they would have obtained the ability to recognize during their reading some excellent poems] ~ then perhaps some ultra-conservative organizations out there might hold more excitement for you. One option to be considered by any disgruntled reader is to join in the analysis and critiqueing of poems. That would be as opposed to simply slam-dunking them.

If I were forced to choose a locale to live out my life, it might well be the playground.....have you read, "All I Ever Really Needed to Know, I Learned in Kindergarten" and one of the things was respecting the rights of others? How boring.

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:02 pm
by lizzytysh
Well, yes, Jurica...but even so, there are certain standards to be met [just ask Miranda]....and the writing/content/substance of the notes from "Session 2" was clearly lacking in insight and understanding. Even co-opted patients [not having been Baker-Acted and certainly not seeking assistance] have their rights....see Patients' Rights Act. Confidentiality is another issue....and there he is, unethical as can be, breaching it by posting confidential notes on a public forum. Leonard himself would be appalled. I mean, he doesn't even know that the proper term for the class is Anger Management, not Rage Control. Good thing I'm only a figment of his imagination.

:lol: Play, play, play, play, play :lol: !!!

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 2:53 am
by Miranda
For crying out loud. Would everyone please go back and read my original post on this thread. I said you all were "interesting!" You just can't write poetry. (With the exception of Andrew McG.) I also said I only go to the poetry section "occasionally." I couldn't stomach a steady diet of it. So I'm not lurking in the shadows ready to pounce on you. Post away.

Miranda