It DON'T matter - how it all went wrong

[Tchocolatl]

"Chinese Turtles" then? How about that Speaking of black symbols etc.

See you, dear, times run, I have to follow!

[LaurieAK]

I Got It!

"Gibberysh"

toodles,
L

[Tchocolatl]

Brilliant. Although I must confess (wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink) that I'm not sure of what you are at exactly.

toodles (wazat)

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_boar ... /1226.html

Oh. Soul mate stuff with Snow's stuff in this thread at some point. That makes sense.

[lizzytysh]

Tchoc ~

Interesting that you consider Kush "almost everybody" ~ or has your Inbox been overflowing with "I got it !!!" messages. Of course, I'm getting it .

And, so are you. Or, maybe not . You may have missed that, altogether.

So, on it, again, eh, Laurie? In the better interest of the Forum, I think I'll just let you two run it till you're out of steam/gas/oil/grease/venom/sludge/swill/recycled, low-grade blend, or whatever substance it is that keeps you going. I have to remember that you specifically did not apologize, choosing and preferring to keep your blame-finger outstretched in more of it. And, now, look who's returned ~ and how you're choosing to use your time. Perhaps, it's not a choice, though, huh? Maybe, just a 'Cleverness Complex' compulsion, or pure, unresolved vitriol.

As I recall, you [Laurie] used a similar repetition/run/re-run analogy once before, not so long ago. It doesn't seem you'd feel compelled to demo at the same time that you criticize, but I think there may be a clue to more than one matter in that fact, as well as in your other, very recent return here. In other words, this is not worth bothering with. Stuck record. Oh, well. Perhaps, if you set your sights higher you could join in on other matters here on the Forum. Consider it an invitation, in fact.

Wishing you healing,
Lizzy

[Young dr. Freud]

Lizzy,

Let someone else have the last word for a change and give us all something to be thankful for.


Wishing you a turkey leg.


YdF

[lizzytysh]

YdF ~

Since I'm not on your [or anyone else's] caseload, your advisement on how I 'should' handle ad hominem attacks is ill-informed. You apparently are unable[?] to see that 'the last word' isn't even the point.

Wishing you a peaceful day, even if it means your having to stay away from here. However, the same invitation, that you might join in elsewhere on the Forum with higher sights and purpose, extends to you, as well.


Wishing you healing,
Lizzy

[Tchocolatl]

Lz, your way or communication here is sick dear. I figure that it comes from too much harassment on you over the years you passed on ancient forum culture (there is a new one you are free to join, though, it is up to you). But now you have the virus well in your system. You are harassing others at your turn. The weakers among people will catch this virus from you, like you caught it from others, but not everybody has it and many are recovering or will recover (could you be able to see this!!) - I just wish you will be among those people soon.

This kind of virus tends to twist posts of other people in a way it is obvious for healthy communicators, so I let you continue to vomit, in hope that you'll be better.

I will never take anybody as a target, even though I do not approuve everything and any kind of behavior blindly all the time (this is two very different things)I'm not against the person, and I will never play the "game" that consists to go in gang (or just two) against another person or group of persons to attack. I am not a wolf I'm a human being. Now if this position makes me a target for a wolf gang, this is the sickness à l'oeuvre. It is up to everybody to decide what to do.

To laugh and play with others though, I will always do. It is fun.

[lizzytysh]

Actually, Tchoc, I'm very healthy. My means of communication is as well. Not sick at all, either one, though you love referring to me, and it, as such. That and this obsession you seem to have with vomit. I don't even care for the word, much less the graphic. Thanks for your medical concern, though.

To laugh and play with others though, I will always do. It is fun.

That's fine, Tchoc. Just leave me [and some others] out of your mix, and all will be well . There must certainly be plenty of others amongst those "almost everybody"s you refer to, who are up for your idea of a great time....translation: at someone else's expense. I prefer to just nip it in the bud.

As for having to reach "over the years you passed on ancient forum culture," that's not at all what's happening here. I need only to reference within the past few months, and an unsurprizing re-entry, given its manner aka purpose ['third=person' references, as well as content, will always be a clue].

I'm already a part of this 'new one' here, at least the one I prefer to consider myself a part of.

I'm not harassing anyone, my dear. Simply not allowing myself to be harassed. I've caught nothing ~ a virus or anything else.

However, your own comments here, along with this specific one

This kind of virus tends to twist posts of other people in a way it is obvious for healthy communicators

do beg the question as to where your magnanimous sense of humour was on Friday, November 18 [not so 'ancient' at all, either, my dear ~ the term you so love to use with me ] at 12:24 AM ~ viewtopic.php?t=4797 ~ when I wasn't even joking, much less at your expense, but had made a serious and sincere comment on how I have always loved some of non-English speakers' use of English]. Perhaps, you've 'healed,' but with scar tissue?

I invite you to the new Forum here, the one where you needn't be paranoid in your reactions, nor laugh and play derogatorily at others' expense. The one where people are talking about places and ideas, rather than people here. We even talk about people other places, as well, if that helps to keep you in your comfort zone, to meet that need for 'fun.'

Meanwhile, my reaction to the current postings is quite traceable, given recent history, as well as your own and another's comments.

As for today, I intentionally stayed home, as I have so many things to do here that just don't have a chance with my schedule . With Forum matters, though, it really is a misuse of my time to stay here, going over this kind of thing with you and YdF, and whoever else may decide to [ahem] join in. I still have my sights set on getting back to the Short Story Comp and rereading the rest and commenting on them; as well as to the Korean film that was being discussed. I still have my own comments and questions for there, as well. In addition to postings relating to Leonard, these things really are my idea of fun. Reading Snow's postings is usually fun, too. Outside of here, I still need to use today for catching up on e-mails with a couple, dear friends. That's fun. I'm about to have some fun, using some evaporated milk in my coffee, a treat I usually save for special occasions, generally relying on the Cremora-type products. I received a phone call, whilst adding this paragraph, so I need to see what that's about, as well.

So, I sincerely hope you have fun with your own day, Tchoc .


Wishing you full and complete healing,
Lizzy

[Tchocolatl]

This is even more sick than I have tought (being an optimistic). Of course at this point the denial is necessary to keep avoiding the reality, and any more pressure will bring just more denial. Poor Lz. Silence in order to make inner peace would help you to go out of this. But I guess that as this point, this is out of your reach.

From now on, I'm sorry to have to leave you in your vomit, as I am not a missionary. I hope somebody else could help but as far as I can see any message of health is killed and its skin is used as a mantle to you. This is sick.

[lizzytysh]

'Sick, sick, sick . . . vomit, vomit, vomit' ~ how about a new theme, a new perspective, a new day, Tc?

I wish you and your lemmings well, as you march off, taking your vomit and PSA with you; and yes, leaving me in silence .

Thank you , Tc.


Regards and good health,
Lizzy

[lizzytysh]

Ahhhh .

My lawn is now beautifully mowed, sticks cleared. My neighbour's wife brought me a very full plate of food, when he was almost finished. So, now I'm enjoying a fully traditional, Thanksgiving dinner, along with my very creamy coffee .

The phone call was from a gentleman I recently met, to tell me he has some "very pretty" plants to give me, if I'm interested. They were left behind by his former wife. We spoke about Thanksgiving, the typical getting together with family, including my preference to simply be alone today. I phoned my out-of-state family last night, along with my former husband and his mother [he's been there for 1.5 years, non-stop, without a break, as the sole, 24/7 caretaker for his father who has Alzheimer's Disease], to whose house I would normally drive the 90 miles to spend the day with....were it not for this true desire to just not go anywhere, at all, for any reason. My phone calls always seem a welcome break for them both. I'll call everyone, again, sometime later today.

Meanwhile, at some point, I'll be typing a letter for my neighbour's wife, one that she wants read [anonymously ~ hence, the concern about her handwriting being recognized] at her 22-year-old granddaughter's funeral, as the hospital is going to soon be disconnecting the plug that's keeping her alive. We talked about the issues surrounding that whole matter. The family is trying to wait past Thanksgiving and the young woman's father's birthday, which is tomorrow, before honouring her wishes.

Important, real-life issues in the midst of all this.

So, if you care to take a new direction, Tc, how about sharing something positive [or not so] about your own day, today.

Kind regards,
Lizzy

[Tchocolatl]

'Sick, sick, sick . . . vomit, vomit, vomit' ~ how about a new theme, a new perspective, a new day (...)

For a few seconds (being an optimistic) I thought that - finally - it went home and that you acknowledge the reality.

Quoi que... It was not silence, but almost. So there is hope, after all.

I wish you be aware that you twist posts of people in order to invent something or someone in there being a "target". When it is not you, personally, then the person(s) become immediately close friend(s) (and/or poor victim(s)) and you have to fly to the defense in emergency which justify that you harass complete innocent persons, the 3/4 of times.

How about a new perspective? After all, you proposed it first, I think it is a pretty good idea. Take care

[lizzytysh]

Ahhhhhhh!!!

With the new film coming out about Johnny Cash and June Carter, the segment I've just been listening to on NPR about it, has just closed out with his singing "Bird on a Wire" !

Likewise, I was reading a magazine article the other day, as I awaited my accupuncture appointment, and the female naturopath knew Marshall McLuhan, and mentioned him in the context of the media regarding health issues. I thought of Judith Fitzgerald's excellent book on him, as well as his influence on Leonard.

Then, the same day, just earlier in it, I was listening to another NPR special, this one [November 21st] on Harold Ramis, the director of the new film The Ice Harvest, the blurb on the NPR site stating, " Fresh Air from WHYY, November 21, 2005 ·

Director Harold Ramis brings his brand of dark -- yet often silly -- humor to audiences with The Ice Harvest. The irreverent film stars John Cusack, Billy Bob Thornton, and Randy Quaid.

Taking place in the period from Christmas to New Year's Eve, Ice Harvest is the latest movie revolving around a holiday from Ramis -- previously, he wrote and directed Groundhog Day.

Ramis is behind some of the comedy classics of the past 25 years. Movies that he has either written or directed include Caddyshack, Animal House, Stripes, Ghostbusters, and National Lampoon's Vacation.

Before his film work, Ramis edited jokes for Playboy and was a member of Chicago's famed Second City improvisational theater troupe.

The film for me is a want-to-see. Via its dark humour and structuring, it's reportedly very complex in its workings, and causes one to very seriously ponder [if they weren't already] how the U.S. has been going about functioning on the world stage. Though some might be tempted to 'Michael Moore' him, the allegation is widely understood to simply not hold up.

However, the refreshing-in-a-different-sense mention in this segment came when he explained how he was replaced on "Saturday Night Live" by John Belushi. He said [paraphrased] that, 'I had gone to that Greek island [I, somehow, just knew he was referring to Hydra , as soon as he said "that"]. My new wife and I had heard that Leonard Cohen was living there, and she very much wanted to meet him. At the time, I was into indulging all of her fantasies.'

Of course ~ I could only wonder [that 'thing' I so often do ] if they were successful. I was hoping he would give that thought closure, but he didn't. So, I'm guessing it was stated in such a way as to include the conclusion that it, in fact, had happened as his wife hoped.


Then, yesterday, enroute back from getting my hair trimmed, I stopped in a "Used CDs, DVDs, etc." store and proceeded to go through ALL of their albums, placed in plastic, 'milk' crates on the floor. Who knows what one may find, and I always hope for Leonard. I ended up with 25 albums @ $1/each, with some duplicates of what I already have, in case some of my American, Canadian, or European friends, here, would care for a copy....or, in case the condition is superior to the ones I already have, or can serve as a replacement, should one become scratched. I sat on the floor for over an hour, working my away around the 'circular' placement of the crates, surrounding a very long, rectangular bin holding CDs above. Not quite halfway through them I found Leonard's first album, in good condition. It always kinda startles and delights me how my heart does a little leap, when I come across something of his like that. Then, there were 24 others I collected. I checked the DVDs and CDs for anything by Leonard, Julie Christensen, Perla Batalla, or Al Stewart ~ no luck on any, though in the CD section, Leonard did have his own cardboard, stand-up label .

As I was checking out, a man [who had earlier looked familiar, and looked even moreso as he looked at me at that point] who stood at the check-out counter asked, "Did you used to live in the Keys?" [this is a dream-come-true question for me, as I'm always wanting to just run into someone I knew when I lived down there]. I said, "YES, I DID!!!" As I said that, I began placing his face. He was virtually unchanged, even after 20 years, but merely being so out of context, I hadn't gotten past his looking very familiar. He said, "I've been watching you and thought it was you," then added, "I was just watching you, in a video, the other day! You remember Bob from 'Radio Ranch,' right?" [it was a video taken at one of the many gatherings, of old friends and new friends, that were wonderfully common occurrences there]. I was [of course ] delighted that he was still able to recognize me, after so long . We talked for about an hour, caught up on a number of mutual friends, some still there and others living elsewhere, exchanged e-mails, and now he's going to have Bob burn and will send me a copy of the cd/dvd that he'd transferred the video onto [sorry about that prepositional ending, Snow ]. Now, I also will have Live footage of the [literal] monkeys I fell so in love with, and spent precious time with, along with a man with whom I became very close at that time. All are on the video [I checked ]. So, Leonard and memories from another time in my past. What a day !!!

Isn't life truly full of fun times worth sharing, Tc?


~ Lizzy

[Tchocolatl]

This is what some people are calling "small talk", dear - I guess For me, yes, it is worth sharing. It amazes me how Leonard Cohen is (or seems to be) the center of your universe (not that I think this is you-know-what (lets take a brake), not at all
- I just wonder : is this an accurate fact or are you as found of some others but don't come out here to write about it?

(Now, please, forgive me if I come back only much later or tomorrow to read your answer).

[lizzytysh]

Please be more specific as you try to invalidate what's happened here, Tc.

Yes, I came to Tom's and Jurica's defense, and would do so endless times in the future. With regard to your erroneous premise, "then the person(s) become immediately close friend(s)" ~ clearly indicating that you persist ~ I ask, how is it that you suppose to know the nature of my and their relationship. I guess it, perhaps, correlates to your supposed knowledge of what has made for Leonard's history of depression. Omniscient, Tchoc?

What I did had nothing to do with twisting your own postings. It had to do at examining your choice of words throughout them, and the public nature of what you did to both of them, when it could've been, and would've far more appropriately been, handled privately. Instead, you jumped to conclusions and tried to wage a battle and undermining campaign, on the most prominent-in-the-world, Internet site on Leonard Cohen, attacking a man who is engaging in a very serious, professional-level endeavour related to him. It's not and wasn't a simple 'tiff matter' of or even related to the Forum.

That's all I'm going to say on that.

Now, if you care to analyze, for me, your and Laurie's most recent postings here, and demonstrate how they did/do not relate to me [with what you really meant and what/who you were really referring to], in that, amongst other things, I was originally accused by you of being a lemming, following Tom and Jurica off the cliff, out of the window, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum ~ I'm open to acknowledging that, perhaps , I mistook your and Laurie's intent here.

However, please know that I will also be analyzing the same postings, in return, pointing out spellings; 'mergings;' previous, related comments, here and elsewhere; etc., and that I am not easily fooled. Or, perhaps, you could simply acknowledge [if only to yourself] that, yes, you may continue "To laugh and play with others though, I will always do. It is fun" ~ however, I'll do what's needed to ensure that it's not at my expense. I certainly have the ability to laugh at myself ~ but there's a context in which that's appropriate, and others in which it's not. This is definitely a "not."

My "new perspective" will not include the smokey, rose-coloured glasses you wish to hand me for viewing all that has just occurred.

Hope you're enjoying the rest of your day as much as I am .


~ Lizzy