Fljotsdale in UK wrote (sorry I hve to copy don't know how to make the quote thing)
Can I say... perception of beauty comes with the species. I don't think it needs a god.
VERY GOOD. I THINK WE ARE DIVINE SO MAYBE WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING.
The way we are... our genetic makeup... our environment... gives us our standard for beauty.
OK.
Another species - say spiders - if they were intelligent enough, would have very different concepts of beauty (imagine seeing beauty in a spider's face and form. Although they DO have a beauty, it is certainly not prettiness!)
WELL PRETTINESS TO A SPIDER MIGHT BE HAIRY AND GOOD WEB MAKING ...
And even humans have a variety of concepts of beauty (especially of human beauty) depending on race, century, our parents' faces (mother is always beautiful to a child, and a father handsome, be they never so ugly).
YES. I AM NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT VISUAL BEAUTY BUT THE AWESOMENESS OF NATURE AND ITS ORGANIZATION ... LIKE HOW THE WIND MAKES THE SAME PATTERNS ON THE DESERT SAND AS IN THE WATER AS IN THE CLOUDS ...
MAYBE THE PROBLEM IS SAYING THAT THERE IS A GOD LIKE IT IS SOMETHING KNOWABLE ...
HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR CREATION?
God - doctrine and dogma; yes, you are not wrong. But those are the gods people believe in. For me, they are too human.
O YES I AGREE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SINCE I THINK WE ARE DIVINE, THAT IS OKAY TOO. WITH ME, I MEAN.
Too obviously our own creations, depicting, as they do, both the best and the worst of humanity in one being, in exaggerated form. IF there is a god - and I see no need for one - it is not remotely like our constructions.
OK ... SO HOW DID WE GET HERE? NOT THAT AN UNKNOWABLE CREATOR IS AN EXPLANATION ... WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHY?
I'll get off that hi orse before I start an unpleasant debate...
NO NO YOU ARE TRES INTELLIGENT AND OBVIOUSLY FEARLESS ... DO YOU KNOW THAT IN THE BROTHERS KARAMOZOV BY DOSTOEVSKY IS A CHAPTER CALLED THE GRAND INQUISITOR IN WHICH HE EXPLAINS WHY PEOPLE HAND THEIR WILL OVER TO RELIGION ... BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TOO TERRIFIED OF BEING ALL ALONE IN SPACE ... THEY WOULD RATHER SUFFER THAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ...
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT ONE OF THEM ...
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS CHAT ...
I AM NOT ATTACHED TO MY VIEWPOINT ... IN FACT, BUDDHA HIMSELF THOUGHT THAT IF PEOPLE FOCUSED ON A GOD THEY WOULD NOT THEMSELVES DEVELOP COMPASSION ...
AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RELIGIONS AND THEIR HISTORIES, WE CAN SEE HIS POINT ...
Right Use of Will
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Thank you. Thank you, very much.Tri-me wrote: I want to meet the lovely and talented Linda Lakeside!!!
It is awful, though, that the most expensive part of any journey beginning in Canada is getting across Canada.
I was going to attend a BluesFest in ThunderBay this summer, but the cost of travelling from here to Vancouver, then onto TBay, was Enormous!
I've always felt that those in Europe are so lucky in that they can just go to say 'Greece' for their holiday. We have Mexico and Hawaii (both over-rated and Hawaii is sooo expensive), that I feel it is 'just' that there will be an event in Edmonton!
I hope you can come, Tri-me. It's still a way's off, start collecting your pop bottles now!
Linda.
Comparitive religion is very interesting, as long as your karma does not run over my dogma I am happy to listen. All religion speak of love and compassion, respect for others. There are just different ways of presenting the materials.
Beauty is very personal and i feel has to do with our society, parents (caregivers), and to a lesser degree media. David Suzuki said that a child does not think bugs are icky they are taught that bugs are icky. How can a preson thing that an animal, insect....is ugly they look how they look. people are this way too, I seem to connect with a person's personality over how they look. There are beautiful people who I cannot see the beauty in. They have rode their looks all their life and have not bothered to develop their personality. i know a woman who is an actress who is very beautiful and a wonderful woman too so I am not saying that all beautiful people are shallow.
There is a trailer, that is decorated with huge pictures, on the way to the Shambhala Center. It shows a man in a prison on his knees, the next picture shows a light coming through a window, the next is an image of Jesus, he stands before him with his arms wide open. The caption reads
"Let Jesus set you free"
I prefer "Set yourself free"
Beauty is very personal and i feel has to do with our society, parents (caregivers), and to a lesser degree media. David Suzuki said that a child does not think bugs are icky they are taught that bugs are icky. How can a preson thing that an animal, insect....is ugly they look how they look. people are this way too, I seem to connect with a person's personality over how they look. There are beautiful people who I cannot see the beauty in. They have rode their looks all their life and have not bothered to develop their personality. i know a woman who is an actress who is very beautiful and a wonderful woman too so I am not saying that all beautiful people are shallow.
There is a trailer, that is decorated with huge pictures, on the way to the Shambhala Center. It shows a man in a prison on his knees, the next picture shows a light coming through a window, the next is an image of Jesus, he stands before him with his arms wide open. The caption reads
"Let Jesus set you free"
I prefer "Set yourself free"
Cheers & DLight
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
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First - let he show you how to make quotes:
Above the top right corner of the post, you will see a 'quote' button. Put the cursor on it and left click your mouse.
You will now see a copy of the post with [ quote ] (without the spaces between the square brackets and the word quote) including = and a name enclosed by ", eg ="Sylvia"
At the bottom of the post is another quote mark, only this time (also without the spaces) it is [ /quote ]
To comment on specific points within the post, put a /quote, within [] at the end of the passage you want, make your comment, then copy and paste the initial quote including name - eg [ quote="Sylvia" ] without spaces - to the beginning of the next passage, and end the passage with another minusquote - /quote - enclosed by []
Ok. I hope you could follow that! It isn't as complicated as it looks. Honest!
And I think evolution is better explanation than Adam and Eve.
But that was a very insightful comment he made. I agree with it.
Indeed!
Above the top right corner of the post, you will see a 'quote' button. Put the cursor on it and left click your mouse.
You will now see a copy of the post with [ quote ] (without the spaces between the square brackets and the word quote) including = and a name enclosed by ", eg ="Sylvia"
At the bottom of the post is another quote mark, only this time (also without the spaces) it is [ /quote ]
To comment on specific points within the post, put a /quote, within [] at the end of the passage you want, make your comment, then copy and paste the initial quote including name - eg [ quote="Sylvia" ] without spaces - to the beginning of the next passage, and end the passage with another minusquote - /quote - enclosed by []
Ok. I hope you could follow that! It isn't as complicated as it looks. Honest!
Maybe. Only... I don't think we are divine. You would get on well with my eldest daughter, though.Sylvia wrote: Fljotsdale in UK wrote (sorry I hve to copy don't know how to make the quote thing)
VERY GOOD. I THINK WE ARE DIVINE SO MAYBE WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING.Fljotsdale wrote: Can I say... perception of beauty comes with the species. I don't think it needs a god.
Sylvia wrote:The way we are... our genetic makeup... our environment... gives us our standard for beauty.
OK.
Very true!Sylvia wrote:WELL PRETTINESS TO A SPIDER MIGHT BE HAIRY AND GOOD WEB MAKING ...Another species - say spiders - if they were intelligent enough, would have very different concepts of beauty (imagine seeing beauty in a spider's face and form. Although they DO have a beauty, it is certainly not prettiness!)
Ok. I'll get back to that where you ask again later.Sylvia wrote:YES. I AM NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT VISUAL BEAUTY BUT THE AWESOMENESS OF NATURE AND ITS ORGANIZATION ... LIKE HOW THE WIND MAKES THE SAME PATTERNS ON THE DESERT SAND AS IN THE WATER AS IN THE CLOUDS ...And even humans have a variety of concepts of beauty (especially of human beauty) depending on race, century, our parents' faces (mother is always beautiful to a child, and a father handsome, be they never so ugly).
MAYBE THE PROBLEM IS SAYING THAT THERE IS A GOD LIKE IT IS SOMETHING KNOWABLE ...
HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR CREATION?
Fair enough.Sylvia wrote:O YES I AGREE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SINCE I THINK WE ARE DIVINE, THAT IS OKAY TOO. WITH ME, I MEAN.God - doctrine and dogma; yes, you are not wrong. But those are the gods people believe in. For me, they are too human.
Well... I kinda sorta 'believe' in the scientific explanations, you know? Not that I think they have it exactly right, yet; but I think mankind, via it's scientists, will find the answers eventually. The things they have discovered so far are amazing, and beyond my admittedly infantile comprehension of Math.Sylvia wrote:OK ... SO HOW DID WE GET HERE? NOT THAT AN UNKNOWABLE CREATOR IS AN EXPLANATION ... WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHY?Too obviously our own creations, depicting, as they do, both the best and the worst of humanity in one being, in exaggerated form. IF there is a god - and I see no need for one - it is not remotely like our constructions.
And I think evolution is better explanation than Adam and Eve.
Thank you, dear!Sylvia wrote:NO NO YOU ARE TRES INTELLIGENT AND OBVIOUSLY FEARLESS ...I'll get off that high horse before I start an unpleasant debate...
No. I didn't read that book. I saw the film with my mother, years and years ago, and I decided right then that I would never read the book. I would have been bored out of my brain and suffered long-term depression!Sylvia wrote:DO YOU KNOW THAT IN THE BROTHERS KARAMOZOV BY DOSTOEVSKY IS A CHAPTER CALLED THE GRAND INQUISITOR IN WHICH HE EXPLAINS WHY PEOPLE HAND THEIR WILL OVER TO RELIGION ... BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TOO TERRIFIED OF BEING ALL ALONE IN SPACE ... THEY WOULD RATHER SUFFER THAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ...
But that was a very insightful comment he made. I agree with it.
No indeed. I did try hard, though. I was brought up Catholic, became agnostic, was persuaded by kindness into another religion - but it was the people I cared for, really - and eventually became a committed atheist. The more I read/studied the bible the more I realised that I loathed the god... and... well: it would take too long to go into.Sylvia wrote:YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT ONE OF THEM ...
Yes.Sylvia wrote:IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS CHAT ...
Sylvia wrote:I AM NOT ATTACHED TO MY VIEWPOINT ... IN FACT, BUDDHA HIMSELF THOUGHT THAT IF PEOPLE FOCUSED ON A GOD THEY WOULD NOT THEMSELVES DEVELOP COMPASSION ...
AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RELIGIONS AND THEIR HISTORIES, WE CAN SEE HIS POINT ...
Indeed!
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank
This one does make me cry.
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank
This one does make me cry.
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Hi Fljots and Sylvia ~
Here's a quote that I thought you both might appreciate
~ It was in today's, on-line issue of E-Verse Radio:
? I love it !
I also have always happened to be fascinated by the concept of 'black holes' .
Carry on ...
~ Lizzy
Here's a quote that I thought you both might appreciate
~ It was in today's, on-line issue of E-Verse Radio:A little bit of G~d; a little bit of math ~ and dividing by zero. Who could ask for more"Black holes are where God divided by zero." - Stephen Wright
? I love it !I also have always happened to be fascinated by the concept of 'black holes'
.Carry on
... ~ Lizzy
Fljots, I tried this but I didn't get it to work. I am not good at math at science either.
I did see that I can try it and preview and then quit ... so I'll keep practicing ...
Nearly every atheist I have ever known was raised Catholic ... never met one raised Hindu or Buddhist ... my dad was agnostic and told me that he would be an atheist but he wasn't sure. He was a sailor and traveled on ships all over the world and was aware of the immenseness of sky. He was nearing death some years ago and was with my mother, who was a very terrified person all her life, and suddenly he said, "Well, I'll be damned!! It's St. Elmo." He left that night with St. Elmo. Mother was never scared again. So, did St. Elmo come for this sailor, being the patron saint of sailors, or did my dad want to give my mother courage?
You are right about the Brothers K ... it is a two volume book very hard to read and Dostoevsky has a great darkness to share ... the chapter on the Grand Inquisitor is so famous that it stands alone ... it is a comment on the horrors of the Church and why people bend their heads before that ...
one more atheist story. My daughter was atheist. She liked to drive her car in the country and listen to music very loud (it runs in the family) and so one night she decided to kill herself by running off the road. She was driving a little VW Rabbit with a sun roof. As it ran off the road and began to roll she felt herself lifted by a hand and held inside the car and there was no music, everything was perfectly silent. When the car stopped rolling, she was set back down and the music was blaring. She got out and got a ride home and told me some lies. She said that a deer ran out in front of her. So we went out to the country road to see the car. As we arrived, there was a deer bouncing around and I said, O, there is your deer. And she gave me a really funny look. Much later a daughter-in-law told me the truth. My daughter said, O now I can do a 12-step program because I have got a Higher Power.
So I usually say that atheists are just people who have never been in a traffic accident. But with regard to the Biblical God, the fundamentalists' God, and the doctrinal dogma Gods, I am with you. That's all part of the veil as far as I am concerned.
So I salute your spirit and we don't have to confine reality by placing our definitions upon it!!
I'll try the quote thing a few more times before I send one. Thank you.
Sylvia
I did see that I can try it and preview and then quit ... so I'll keep practicing ...
Nearly every atheist I have ever known was raised Catholic ... never met one raised Hindu or Buddhist ... my dad was agnostic and told me that he would be an atheist but he wasn't sure. He was a sailor and traveled on ships all over the world and was aware of the immenseness of sky. He was nearing death some years ago and was with my mother, who was a very terrified person all her life, and suddenly he said, "Well, I'll be damned!! It's St. Elmo." He left that night with St. Elmo. Mother was never scared again. So, did St. Elmo come for this sailor, being the patron saint of sailors, or did my dad want to give my mother courage?
You are right about the Brothers K ... it is a two volume book very hard to read and Dostoevsky has a great darkness to share ... the chapter on the Grand Inquisitor is so famous that it stands alone ... it is a comment on the horrors of the Church and why people bend their heads before that ...
one more atheist story. My daughter was atheist. She liked to drive her car in the country and listen to music very loud (it runs in the family) and so one night she decided to kill herself by running off the road. She was driving a little VW Rabbit with a sun roof. As it ran off the road and began to roll she felt herself lifted by a hand and held inside the car and there was no music, everything was perfectly silent. When the car stopped rolling, she was set back down and the music was blaring. She got out and got a ride home and told me some lies. She said that a deer ran out in front of her. So we went out to the country road to see the car. As we arrived, there was a deer bouncing around and I said, O, there is your deer. And she gave me a really funny look. Much later a daughter-in-law told me the truth. My daughter said, O now I can do a 12-step program because I have got a Higher Power.
So I usually say that atheists are just people who have never been in a traffic accident. But with regard to the Biblical God, the fundamentalists' God, and the doctrinal dogma Gods, I am with you. That's all part of the veil as far as I am concerned.
So I salute your spirit and we don't have to confine reality by placing our definitions upon it!!
I'll try the quote thing a few more times before I send one. Thank you.
Sylvia
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Hi Tri Me
I am in Oregon in the USA but I didn't put USA on it. I will say this for Oregon. We are a BLUE STATE and we turned out in mobs and gobs to listen to John Kerry and his wife, Theresa, who is a Goddess and not a cardboard cutout of a wife and mother.
I will tell you what happened to our election. It was fixed in Ohio and Florida. Jimmy Carter and some other people on an election reform committee have taken measures to prevent this by asking for the computer voting to create a paper trail that can be audited.
Karl Rove was overseeing it. At the same time, I have to admit, about half of the people in the BLUE STATES also voted Republican. So what that means is that life on Earth is a learning experience.
I wish I could come to Montreal or Berlin or Edmonton. I don't think there is money for that. But what I can do is buy the book of poems and buy the music and I'll do that.
S.
I am in Oregon in the USA but I didn't put USA on it. I will say this for Oregon. We are a BLUE STATE and we turned out in mobs and gobs to listen to John Kerry and his wife, Theresa, who is a Goddess and not a cardboard cutout of a wife and mother.
I will tell you what happened to our election. It was fixed in Ohio and Florida. Jimmy Carter and some other people on an election reform committee have taken measures to prevent this by asking for the computer voting to create a paper trail that can be audited.
Karl Rove was overseeing it. At the same time, I have to admit, about half of the people in the BLUE STATES also voted Republican. So what that means is that life on Earth is a learning experience.
I wish I could come to Montreal or Berlin or Edmonton. I don't think there is money for that. But what I can do is buy the book of poems and buy the music and I'll do that.
S.
Hi Sylvia ~
! I'm glad to see that support was so strong in your state.
I'm not that good with math, either, Sylvia......especially when it comes to a story problem like that .
I'm sorry to hear that even Edmonton apparently isn't on your horizon. Glad to hear that you'll at least be doing what you can .
~ Lizzy
I feel exactly the same about Theresa Heinz-Ketchup KerryWe are a BLUE STATE and we turned out in mobs and gobs to listen to John Kerry and his wife, Theresa, who is a Goddess and not a cardboard cutout of a wife and mother.
! I'm glad to see that support was so strong in your state. Exactly ~ even though some people don't believe it, and others are reluctant .I will tell you what happened to our election. It was fixed in Ohio and Florida. Jimmy Carter and some other people on an election reform committee have taken measures to prevent this by asking for the computer voting to create a paper trail that can be audited.
Karl Rove was overseeing it.
Right. No one's ever said that GWB didn't get his 'share' of the BLUE STATES' votes ~ only that he didn't legitimately win the election.At the same time, I have to admit, about half of the people in the BLUE STATES also voted Republican.
I'm not that good with math, either, Sylvia......especially when it comes to a story problem like that
.I'm sorry to hear that even Edmonton apparently isn't on your horizon. Glad to hear that you'll at least be doing what you can
.~ Lizzy
well Edmonton has a special place in my heart as my mother's family lived there til she was 15 ... then her sister and her brother in law always lived there ... in the Peace River Valley ...
also I have got a friend in Montreal I have never met in person ... so I want to go ... but it's not looking possible ... never know though ... anyhow, can travel in the light body ... that works ...
also I have got a friend in Montreal I have never met in person ... so I want to go ... but it's not looking possible ... never know though ... anyhow, can travel in the light body ... that works ...
Hi Sylvia,
welcome to the Forum.
I believe in G-d. He/She created the universe 13.7 billion years ago. Before then there was nothing; only Him/Her. A violent, soundless ball of fire was unleashed. This is known as the Big Bang. Life was Created.
Earth has existed for something like 4.5 billion years and ever so slowly, through evolution, Humanity arose. G-d has been here all along our trek and it is only now we are able to articulate it so majestically, so beautifully and so precisely. We have science - carbon-dating, anthropology, an entire gamut of research and we have 'that feel' at night when the moon is out, when the tide has ebbed; when we know that G-d is there.
As I grow, Sylvia, I grow into G-d. That all encompassing being that dwells inside me, and out. The beauty of G-d is that you can divide zero into Him/Her and get a result. It is Mystery. It is Love. It is Creation.
For some reason I've only seen one male on this thread. I am a guy. I am also a Pisces, though I'm not sure if I go in for astrology
.
In peace
Boss
welcome to the Forum.
I believe in G-d. He/She created the universe 13.7 billion years ago. Before then there was nothing; only Him/Her. A violent, soundless ball of fire was unleashed. This is known as the Big Bang. Life was Created.
Earth has existed for something like 4.5 billion years and ever so slowly, through evolution, Humanity arose. G-d has been here all along our trek and it is only now we are able to articulate it so majestically, so beautifully and so precisely. We have science - carbon-dating, anthropology, an entire gamut of research and we have 'that feel' at night when the moon is out, when the tide has ebbed; when we know that G-d is there.
As I grow, Sylvia, I grow into G-d. That all encompassing being that dwells inside me, and out. The beauty of G-d is that you can divide zero into Him/Her and get a result. It is Mystery. It is Love. It is Creation.
For some reason I've only seen one male on this thread. I am a guy. I am also a Pisces, though I'm not sure if I go in for astrology
.In peace
Boss
Hi Boss
Thank you for your comments. They remind me of very first purpose for starting this conversation, to ask about Right Use of Will. In this series of books that came out every two years starting in 1984 or 1986 (there were two versions of the first book), God speaks through a channeler and tells a radically surprising and gripping story of Creation.
It's not inconsistent with what you've said here but there's a great deal of detailed cosmology in it. What the first book says is if this feels right for you, read it, if not, don't. Because it had the subtitle, Healing and Evolving the Emotional Body, I was interested because I was trying to do that in the middle 80s. At that time, readers did the emotions work for about two years and then the next book would come out. The community that grew up around the books has gone through many stages and phases.
By the 4th book, the channeler/author said she would send out address lists of readers so they could find each other and work together on these healings. The main focus was to surface the consciousness that is lost to denials and suppression and repression and many of those came from the Pisces Age religions that exiled the Goddess and started to treat women as sin/flesh and men as spirit/tempted by women. This time we live in now is transitioning into the Age of Aquarius - the last one having been about 25,000 years ago when the matrilineal cultures were going strong.
So, I asked this question here because I see that the site is using the symbol from these books and the symbol also appears on some of the record labels for L.C.'s music. This means to me that he values the work.
I value the work also. The channeler/author asks people not to push it upon others ... they will find it if they wish. If you go to the opening page of this website and into the search bar put "'Right Use of Will" you will find a link and information about the books.
There are eight of the books. The channeler/author was working with ideas from Carlos Castaneda when she began to channel this stuff. It is so radical, so profound, so moving that I get goose bumps just talking to you about it.
Astrology means to me consciousness and the natal chart a map of the intention we each had for this life. Why we chose to be born at the time we did in the place we did, what we had been doing last time, and what we wanted to do this time. That is, what our SOUL wanted to do, since when we come into the body we often cannot remember and after we get conditioned by our family or tribe, then we start out trying to unlearn and find out what we intended to do.
I like God'dess too but I totally understand how the formal religions on earth have alienated thinking people ... especially the western religions ... and these books also give a certain dimension of truth about that.
When I read the books, I did not decide whether I thought it was God talking or not. I didn't care because the material was just so profound. But in the 4th book (which means eight years of doing the work), one day I just put it down and said, WOW, this had to be God talking, nobody else could tell this story.
So ...
Why do you suppose L.C. feels so much affinity to that literature that he uses the entwined hearts on his record label?
Sylvia
Thank you for your comments. They remind me of very first purpose for starting this conversation, to ask about Right Use of Will. In this series of books that came out every two years starting in 1984 or 1986 (there were two versions of the first book), God speaks through a channeler and tells a radically surprising and gripping story of Creation.
It's not inconsistent with what you've said here but there's a great deal of detailed cosmology in it. What the first book says is if this feels right for you, read it, if not, don't. Because it had the subtitle, Healing and Evolving the Emotional Body, I was interested because I was trying to do that in the middle 80s. At that time, readers did the emotions work for about two years and then the next book would come out. The community that grew up around the books has gone through many stages and phases.
By the 4th book, the channeler/author said she would send out address lists of readers so they could find each other and work together on these healings. The main focus was to surface the consciousness that is lost to denials and suppression and repression and many of those came from the Pisces Age religions that exiled the Goddess and started to treat women as sin/flesh and men as spirit/tempted by women. This time we live in now is transitioning into the Age of Aquarius - the last one having been about 25,000 years ago when the matrilineal cultures were going strong.
So, I asked this question here because I see that the site is using the symbol from these books and the symbol also appears on some of the record labels for L.C.'s music. This means to me that he values the work.
I value the work also. The channeler/author asks people not to push it upon others ... they will find it if they wish. If you go to the opening page of this website and into the search bar put "'Right Use of Will" you will find a link and information about the books.
There are eight of the books. The channeler/author was working with ideas from Carlos Castaneda when she began to channel this stuff. It is so radical, so profound, so moving that I get goose bumps just talking to you about it.
Astrology means to me consciousness and the natal chart a map of the intention we each had for this life. Why we chose to be born at the time we did in the place we did, what we had been doing last time, and what we wanted to do this time. That is, what our SOUL wanted to do, since when we come into the body we often cannot remember and after we get conditioned by our family or tribe, then we start out trying to unlearn and find out what we intended to do.
I like God'dess too but I totally understand how the formal religions on earth have alienated thinking people ... especially the western religions ... and these books also give a certain dimension of truth about that.
When I read the books, I did not decide whether I thought it was God talking or not. I didn't care because the material was just so profound. But in the 4th book (which means eight years of doing the work), one day I just put it down and said, WOW, this had to be God talking, nobody else could tell this story.
So ...
Why do you suppose L.C. feels so much affinity to that literature that he uses the entwined hearts on his record label?
Sylvia
Forgive me for seeming a little simple, but I always believed the entwined hearts had both something to do with the Star of David and also the love between two souls.
Sylvia, I said I wasn't an astrology devotee yet I have a confession. I have loved 3 women; I still love one of them. Their birthdays all fall between April 22 and April 28. I can't understand this. And there are so many other miraculous events that have occured in my life. Serendipitous incidents. I feel this consciousness is indeed G-d. I delved into many books in the search for reality 10 or so years ago and I found a lot. I like experiencing G-d without books now. The cosmic dance that flirts with me each day is enough.
G-d is everything. The silence, the noise. Everything. It doesn't matter what religion you look in to you shall find G-d. Every nuance, every electron; it is all G-d.
And, one can say too much
Boss
Sylvia, I said I wasn't an astrology devotee yet I have a confession. I have loved 3 women; I still love one of them. Their birthdays all fall between April 22 and April 28. I can't understand this. And there are so many other miraculous events that have occured in my life. Serendipitous incidents. I feel this consciousness is indeed G-d. I delved into many books in the search for reality 10 or so years ago and I found a lot. I like experiencing G-d without books now. The cosmic dance that flirts with me each day is enough.
G-d is everything. The silence, the noise. Everything. It doesn't matter what religion you look in to you shall find G-d. Every nuance, every electron; it is all G-d.
And, one can say too much
Boss
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Always glad to help.linda_lakeside wrote:Fljots,
Pardon me for barging in, but 'good trick' with the 'quotes'. I wasn't aware of that function. Tks.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank
This one does make me cry.
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank
This one does make me cry.