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Here's wishing you find an equally deep and satisfying love among the members of your own species.

Everybody'd have to take their clothes off first.

then they'd have to forget language
- because that's the real problem,
-isn't it?

(don't argue it.
it'd only prove the point.)

Reduce it all to one bark.


We tried it in the '60s.
The word was: 'wow!' (--short for "bowwow")
and the word was good!

Problem was, we weren't ready.

Too many kinds of dogs runnin around.
Dogs of war.
Dogs of commerce.
Hotdogs, -part rat.

Maybe you're ready to try again.

(although, judging by the way the threads still bend,
predictably at those certain points,
-i think not.)

ah, well... back to see some more posts and that this thread is still in the number one slot on this forum.

anyway, all i can really say is that i'm doing better than i was, however, that doesn't mean i'm happy as ever or that i'd put it all in the back of my mind and forgotten it for now.

with that said, greg, i enjoyed reading your post, it was funny, but as i've said before, i'm not too interested in any other pets at the moment, specifically because i don't think my dad would want to get another one either, for we still have another dog and a cat. however, as i've said before, neither of those pets come from my family. they belong to my stepmom, and have been with her prior to my dad's marriage to her. actually, the cat she had she had to put down a few years ago and we got a new one after that, but still, i don't ever think of it as my cat. also, as i've said before, i hardly ever see the cat. if it sees me, it starts to run away. also, i am allergic to most cats anyway, so i'm kind of glad it runs away. haha. the dog she has must be half-witted, too, i honestly think. i'm not gonna hate it for being a stupid dog, but also because i didn't know this dog like i knew my other two, since i was 5, i hardly feel the same about it. it's often a nuisance more than a friend.

with that being said, simone, i appreciate what you're trying to plug here in this thread, but i do agree with linda and lizzy about it, and lizzy, thank you for your input, i couldn't have agreed more. i wouldn't think that simone would post such a thing out of sarcasm, but you are absolutely right, it came off sounding snooty and uncaring, which was a bit unsettling for me personally because of my loss, but i can't take something like that 100% seriously even if it was completely snooty and uncaring. so, simone, i think it would be safe to say that, on behalf of those of us who begged to differ with your post, that we accept your gracious apology, and there are no hard feelings whatsoever.

but i would like to take this time to thank everybody once again for all their support and comments during my time of loss and this kind of thing can really crystallize the belief in me that i am in good company here, as it might for anyone else. so thank you all once again.

The kind and interesting post of Simon is more a lack of being done by a well tight accepted member of this community than a lack of anything else and I'm sorry Simon but all you logical lecture about ruling this board, I'm afraid, will fail. There is a clan that is allowe people to speak or not. but of course, they are not doing this! It is all in your imagination, fan! So people who are not in the clan speak at their risk ans peril. This is the way is going. You stand the heat or you get off the kitchen .Or you lick the boots of the members that have great influence and they accept your posts. Your choice.

Be real, people. Threads here are going in any ways that people are sending them. I do no know a sole thread that keep the same subject from the first to the last post.

I find that your post was OK, Simon, and very relevant.

Now if your link causes scandal, let see what this one will do, (outch!), cause this put into question the little egoism that are binding to our pet, and their inconditional love for us.

As a grown up, nobody have access to inconditional love, and what we are doing to animals to obtain it, sometimes, and I say SOMETIMES, is on the verge of insanity. This is just because somebody have almighty poser on a creature. This is not love, it is control and power. Ugly.

Now read this and mule all these new concepts, it is hard at first to accept them in new scheme of thinking, but one has to be blind not to recognize the truth.

I do not pretend that this is THE thruth, byt there is a lot of truth.

Have a nice day, however!

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Dear Tchocolatl ~

If I am included in your assessment, I am so sorry that your attachment to your clan theory is so strong that you missed the genuine meaning and intent of my post, and accounted it to something totally apart.

Be real, people. Threads here are going in any ways that people are sending them. I do no know a sole thread that keep the same subject from the first to the last post.

Threads shift direction, as they always have, given the breeze of a feather. The shifting, itself, did not concern me. I believe that Simon did understand my concern, and that what he wrote in response was equally genuine. I also believe him to be a stronger person than what your posting would suggest.

Love,
Lizzy

Hi ~greg ~

Your humourous breakdown is both funny and quite true. Ask Pico Iyer. I loved the article he wrote about he and his wife's relationship. Though some may find it odd, there are many levels of communication and intellectual is not always what it's all about.

Is that true about the "bow-wow" being shortened to "wow"? If so, I missed out on its etymological process .

Love,
Lizzy

Tchocolatl ~

I don't have time to read the whole thing; however, yes, the pet industry can be very abusive to the animals themselves. I no longer vaccinate my animals [haven't for nearly 10 years] ~ and they've never been healthier. When I did, they got sick annually....with many, varied medications ingested, as a result. The rabies vaccine is the one exception, even though I have mixed feelings about even that. I also purchase 'health-food' dog and cat food at Earth Pets, a holistic pet-food and other-pet-items store. I feed them the brands and forms recommended by the homeopathic and naturopathic vets whom I have consulted. Along with the store-bought, I feed my dog a combination of fresh, raw food, made by my neighbor [who has show dogs and also goes to homeopathic and naturopathic vets], for which I pay her. I do what I can. My cats have not had an upper respiratory infection since I stopped vaccinating.

Love,
Lizzy

Dear Teratogen ~

I'm glad to hear that you're beginning to feel some balance in yourself; nowhere near a springboard for joy, I know. You're progressing better than I have during times of that kind of loss. I believe one of my 'issues' is an inability to accept loss, so times like this seem to be extra hard for me.

Love,
Lizzy

Lizzie you hit it on the nose with your previous post. I have pets who I would be gutted to lose but I am not sorry I had the ones before who I did lose. We can all live in a sterile little bubble with no pets but some of us choose not to. It doesn't mean we don't care about the welfare of animals that are not domestic it just means we choose to share our homes with the domestic ones and not elephants.

No time, no will, no fun for me to enter jiu jitsu or English Box games.

I understand that what I say is too evident and therefore is transparent.

Please do not feel guilty about my post just think quietly about it and do what you want with it. It is a gift.

Bye!

P.S. Lizzytysh, you certainly are conscious that some people can buy the peace. I did think that Simon did this. Not that he/she is weak. Somebody must be strong to be able to do that. But strong can be wrong also, sometimes.

Bye again!

Tchocolatl ~

Sometimes I find juxtaposition interesting.

. . . some people can buy the peace. I did think that Simon did this. Not that he/she is weak. Somebody must be strong to be able to do that.

Or you lick the boots of the members that have great influence and they accept your posts. Your choice.

When will they ever get those John Wayne movies right?

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No time, no will, no fun for me to enter jiu jitsu or English Box games.

Now if your link causes scandal, let see what this one will do, (outch!),

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Please do not feel guilty about my post just think quietly about it and do what you want with it. It is a gift.

In response to your gift, some might say, "Show me the beef!" However, being primarily vegetarian, I have to be more literal and say, "Show me the guilt." It's interesting that you would equate the careful care of one's animals with guilt.

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I'll continue on a new thread with my additional thoughts. The thread is in the Comments section.

"People and their animals [and PETA]"

I find that your post was OK, Simon, and very relevant.

Did I miss you over there in the Comments section, on the other, named thread?

I understand that what I say is too evident and therefore is transparent.

Love,
Lizzy

No, it is not interesting. It is freeky. It looks like damned black mail, you know the one we see in movie (thanks G_d I never saw one in real life) made of letters and sentences cut from magazines and newspaper to create a message that have nothing to do with the content of the articles from where they came, and signed "A friend that want you some good".

But.

I was really annoying in this thread, as I am often, (I may be forced to drink the cigue some day, eh... or maybe the humankind has evolved, after all, a little bit) every time I put into question old comfortable schemes of thinking and living - a little bit hard. So, I salute your effort - or your hability - to stay decent anyway. I am not against anger, anyway (nor agressivity), I am againts violence. So. Wow! I wonder now, in what cut and paste patchwork this paragraph may ended.

T. to come back to you, I'll just end here with "you can lost a friend, but the friendship you shared is never lost".

T. to come back to you, I'll just end here with "you can lost a friend, but the friendship you shared is never lost".

I salute you .

Tchoco, you're right, the pet owners always want one to behave just like them pets-sit! Don't sit, jump, stop, nice doggie, nice!!!- bad, bad dog!!! bad cat! Behave now! I am telling you!
I can smell them from a mile away.
Have no time to write more, but there would be plenty to say! Take care of them pets!

It has always amazed me how people want the animals to be other than their nature.

Dogs don't bark. I house sat a poodle named Barkus (from David Copperfield) when someone came by the house he would bark, I would thank him for protecting me.

Cats excrete in their litter box. What would happen to your old cat when it can no longer jump up on the toilet? Let the cats use a litter box.

Horses need to be fed on time and have their moods and must be communicated on their level.

The house fly at the window is trying to get out let it go

David Suzuki a famous scientist and environmentalist said in a talk. I paraphrase, "If even one insect goes instinct on the planet it would throw the entire ecosystem out of balance. If humans were to go instinct, only the bacteria that lives on their bodies would disappear. "
Something like that.
Humans are always shown to be on top, but the animals and bugs and fish et al are far more important.

Bugs and Fishes