ladydi wrote:Personally, I feel that all of Vicomte's comments have been measured and quite within the realm of being polite. efc...you, on the other hand, thrive on confrontation. Your political views do not belong on this thread. You appear to be trolling, but of course, to you it is simply setting the record straight. Go away....none of us need your self-righteous pretense...
Stick to the political thread. You are most at home there, and that is fine. These threads are for those who truly appreciate Leonard, and who, deep within, hold to the same principles as Leonard. You, my dear, do NOT. If you can convince me otherwise...I and many others await your response.
Freedom of speech is our right, but those who may feel their's is the ONLY way (whether right or left) should keep their comments on the political thread...that is why it exists.
ps...go ahead...you will now slightly tear into me....attempt to criticize, demean, and belittle me, as most of "you" people do, but that's okay! I'm with Vicomte.....
This is a thread about Bono's reaction to Leonard which, not surprisingly, included people's opinions about Bono. My comment had a political angle but it was still my opinion about Bono, and in context. Also my comment was factually correct, whereas Vicomte came up with the silly suggestion that it is criminal not to criticise Bush (that's opinion not fact btw), thereby upping the ante. And you, as much as anyone, have kept the issue alive with your constant carping. Even if you're right, and I don't agree that you are, why the fuss. Getting all agitato over my post here doesn't make sense on it's merits. The answer of course you don't like my political views, just like the people in the Judy Collins thread in Other Music.
Your comments remind me when my post in the Concerts forum about the crowd's reaction to the "Democracy is coming to the USA" line was shunted off to Everything Else (before the Politics forum was born) notwithstanding the fact that the crowds reaction was clearly a part of the concert, the concert was the whole point of my post after all. Not only that, the moderator (Tim) had the gall to alter the heading of my post to reverse what I said. It turned out that Tim had a different political philosophy to me - note the pattern. The absurdity was reflected in the fact that posts looking favourably at the crowd's reaction to the line were left in situ, ie. in the Concerts forum. Oh, the perils of micro-management or, to be more precise, selective micro-mamagement, and rather creepy.
And posting in Politics is easier said than done. A while ago, and after I had not posted for a while, I started three threads on separate issues. Some moderator (because of course these people normally hide their behind a veil of secrecy), amalgamated all three threads in indiscriminate fashion, making one combined incoherent thread.
There are bound to be elements of overlap, a point I made in my last post to you:
"I think we've had this sort of discussion before. Perhaps if there's a thread that covers various aspects (not everything is one-dimensional you know) then posts could be divided into several pieces and then distributed amongst various forums, complete with cross-references, so that people could only read the complete post by going into each forum. Wouldn't that be fun.
It seems to me people start shouting Politics Forum when they hear a view with which they disagree."
Of course you have ignored that post. Instead you just start over, as though I hadn't said anything. Anyway if you can't be bothered to respond to a central point then......
Your comments "Go away....none of us need your self-righteous pretense [sic]..." and "These threads are for those who truly appreciate Leonard, and who, deep within, hold to the same principles as Leonard. You, my dear, do NOT. If you can convince me otherwise...I and many others await your response." are not arrogant and self-righteous, or hypocritical at all are they. You seem to assume that everyone thinks like you, a very bold claim indeed. And apparently I need to remind you that I'm just as much a member as you. And why the the "Go away", aren't I allowed to respond to your criticism of me - not in your world apparently.
We have to be Leonard clones do we. And who says my principles are different to Leonard's. Does Leonard approve of what you and your ilk are up to. Just think, I could post here about what Leonard's views are on your views/my posting here. Whatever, what's clear to me is that Leonard is far more likely to be more tolerant and open-minded than you, to a very considerable extent.
If I may I'll end by summarising an ironic and contradictory aspect of your position. You criticise me for raising a political point, and say you're with Vicomte, but make no criticism of Vicomte for being happy to participate in, and indeed escalate, said political point. I'm glad you're with Vicomte.
