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Hi Dolphinswim, welcome to the Forum :D !

Actually, my signals are a bit crossed at the moment... as, after I made the above comment and Minerva answered as she did, the person who initially made the request PMd and thanked me, stating that she now had tickets. I wasn't entirely sure ~ and am still not ~ however, where she got them from... Minerva? I didn't get that impression from Minerva's posting... it seemed to be saying, "Sorry, but it's too late... they're already gone." However, when I got the PM from the seeker of tickets, thanking me, I thought that, perhaps, Minerva's smile meant that the tickets were finally gone [sold to that very seeker]. Then, it occurred to me that, perhaps, the PM I received was one of, "Thanks for trying to get me some tickets; but I have some now [from elsewhere]."

So, frankly, Dolphinswim, I have no idea which it really is... until someone involved clarifies it. So, now that you may have a spare one and have announced it here, you're likely to receive a PM yourself... from someone wanting it 8) .

Apart from all that, have you had the privilege of swimming with the dolphins? If so, where... and would you mind sharing your experience?

It's great that you'll be going on the 29th. That's when I'm going, too... however, it seems we ought not get our hopes up that Leonard will be there, as well... given the billing verbiage. So, as Geoffrey suggests, best to consider Leonard the wrapping to the beautiful gift of Anjani... a lovely analogy, particularly in light of Leonard's own comment... "I slept on that voice."


~ Lizzy
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Some news about the upcoming tours by Anjani:

NEW YORK:
Leonard is only introducing Anjani during the first concert in NY and not the subsequent two others, including not the second one that evening.

MIDLAND FESTIVAL/IRELAND:
I repeat that Anjani is not confirmed for the Festival. She said no decision has been made. The news on the festival website is really premature.
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My emerging feelings on that were right.

< *how will I ever break this to YdF* >


Meanwhile, back on a serious note, carpe diem to those who did what they needed to do to attend the promotional concerts we've been hearing so many wonderful things about... and were able to see, hear, and meet both Anjani and Leonard. The gift of the unadorned Anjani in New York will be as beautiful and lovely as she was in Europe 8) .

I'm glad that I made my plans without considerations of meeting Leonard. I feel it's a good idea to make this announcement, at this time, however; so people won't go and return grousing about Leonard's not being there. They can attend for the right reasons... wanting to see, hear, and hopefully meet [I will say that for me... and hope that she is feeling well and open to that when the time arrives] Anjani in person. This is only one of many lessons that life gives us about expectations.

It would have been lovely to meet Leonard, as well [as I've said ~ somewhere here ~ it would have felt more like the 'first' time than the first time did], and I'm glad that I had the opportunity once to do so, and was able to look into his eyes many years ago. Now, I will have the opportunity to look into the same lovely eyes that he does nearly every day :D .

I sincerely hope everyone can and will wish Leonard well as he stays at home, or elsewhere, doing what he needs to do.

Life and its many turns :) .



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Is anyone asking why Leonard choses not to appear for the introduction to other NYC shows, knowing , without hypcrisy, he is the main attraction and reason for most people going to the shows? Is he in ill health? Are and he Anjani at odds? Is it none of our business? Why disappoint such a good sport like Lizzytysh and others and depress the box office receipts of later shows?
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Yeah, Lighning -- I so agree with you. Man, I would be pissed if I had bought tickets to one of the later NY shows. And booked a flight. And made hotel reservations.

Let's not kid ourselves here, Leonard is the attraction. No matter how great Anjani's voice is, it would never sell records on it's own. She's nothing without him. I don't mean that in an unkind way. It's just one of the bitter truths of life.

And I was looking forward to Lizzytysh meeting her man (again). That alone would be worth the price of the ticket! I am truly sorry that won't happen.
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eeey wrote:
Let's not kid ourselves here, Leonard is the attraction. No matter how great Anjani's voice is, it would never sell records on it's own. She's nothing without him. I don't mean that in an unkind way. It's just one of the bitter truths of life.
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I never heard Anjani sing anything other than Leonard's songs but I did read what Geoffrey once wrote about hearing one and from what I can tell from that I would certainly think that she can sell records on her own. I did go looking for that CD though and wasn't able to find it anywhere I went.

I do know that when I go to her show that Anjani will be the main attraction and that it doesn't matter to me in any kind of significent degree if Leonard is there.
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I think, in all fairness, that the club should offer refunds to people who were mislead into thinking Leonard would be there. For the people who booked flights and made hotel reservations, it is indeed very sad. Maybe Leonard's highly developed conscience will not let him cooperate with any sort of public deception or false advertising. Perhaps he will change his mind.
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Good heavens, how did I get into this, when I'm content with whatever happens. Eeey... long time no see, and good to see you. Surprized at what you've written and thank you for what is obviously a sincere wish on my behalf. There's no mistaking that in your wording of it. I'm glad you acknowledged that it would be an "again"... and, in that, I rest at peace. Truly. Some of my comments here are to you, but I'll pretty much use your name, or one of your own words, when they are... so please don't take offense at something that doesn't relate to anything you've said or suggested. This is a blanket posting.

My tickets are booked and there's little chance of changing them, without incurring an unaffordable penalty. I may check, but the early show on the 24th is already Sold Out... and that's the one Leonard is attending. If I were able to get to the 2nd show on that same date, I might arrive early and, perhaps, as Leonard was leaving to turn in for the night, I might get to say "Hi Leonard... I'm Elizabeth." [I'd have to do that, as he wouldn't recognize me from any photos, since I've cut my hair and am less than pleased with the results, I might add :wink: ... so, it could easily go as it did with Jarkko and Eija, Dick and Linda, in Poland... of looking straight at me and not knowing who I was :lol: ~ I had my hair pulled up then... now, it's not even there to pull anywhere :shock: .] Anyway, when I told my supervisor today that Leonard wouldn't be there on the date I would be, that he was going to be there five days earlier. I was very matter-of-fact about it and it was she who said, "Oh, no! Are you going to change your date for going??" :shock: I said I hadn't considered doing that. I would have to miss work. I'd have to change my flight. I'd have to . . . ~ I mean I guess I could do all that, but it hadn't occurred to me, and that's the point, as in that lack of considering that as an option, I wasn't feeling upset or angry, either one.

I initially booked my flight and made my reservations not anticipating Leonard's being there... I'm one of those who really, truly wants to see Anjani sing Live and meet her... G~d willing. The anticipation of Leonard's attendance came after the fact. I can't say easy come, easy go... but, if I had to attach to any attitude for this whole thing, that would be much closer to anything else that's occurring to me right now.

I barely knew where to start with this posting and still barely know where to continue... my mind is swimming with criss-crossing currents of shock and other, varying forms and degrees of emotion. I'm feeling hurt seeing people saying unkind things about Anjani, one of the sweetest, kindest, most gracious women out there, much less in the industry. I have no idea how she's been as a person throughout her life; however, it's been noted that she 'lightened' the scene when she came in the room when they were all on the road. That tells me that her sweetness is part of who she is and has not been acquired since being with Leonard... though, one might say regarding other traits, that she learned from the best... yet, even there, one would have to have known her from before. They may have come together due to some very basic similarities. They certainly come across that way. Anjani absolutely does not deserve a single unkind word in her direction, be it about her career, her singing, or her person.

As for the quality of her singing, I've played her cd for some people who have never heard of Leonard, and they loved... loved... her voice and her expression.

Leonard is an attraction, it's true; however, I do not see him as the only attraction. Anjani is a first-class musician in her own right and they have assembled a group of other, likewise, first-class musicians and music producers. This posting is addressed to anyone reading it, but I'll ask you eeey, if you happened to listen to the Warsaw concert on Polskie Radio. I did and I was astonished at all of the vocal embellishments Anjani brought to her performance. Leonard has, in his signature fashion, commented that he is only an imposter, that Anjani is the true musician. Of course, we know better... that Leonard is NOT an imposter... however, his point is still made and taken that Anjani IS a true musician, in her own right, apart from Leonard. Her vocals are fresh, alive, and vibrantly expressive... at the same time that they were smooth and soothing. She is so absolutely consistent in the quality of her singing... a true professional, who conveys her elegance and sense of ease through the sound of her voice and singing.

What Leonard has brought to Anjani is opportunity and exposure... those famed, elusive phenomena in the industry. He has also brought her first-class lyrics... however, it was Anjani's own ingenuity that brought those same, first-class lyrics their exposure and first-class renderings. Leonard recognized it immediately. So, this is something that Anjani has brought to Leonard... her own gift. She IS something, she's PLENTY, with or without Leonard. She's a master at vocal and melodic interpretation and rendering of lyrics that come straight off the page as words only... first she flawlessly selects those that hold promise for her voice and then she does as true musicians do and sets them to melody and music... and then plays the piano herself as she sings. It's one of the things that I kept thinking as I listened... and commented on to my friend later... that playing the piano requires concentration and singing lyrics properly requires concentration... especially when you've given so much attention to the consistency of their presentation... and aren't just winging it extemporaneously each time.

For me, the most bitter truth here is that some would turn on Anjani simply, perhaps, because of nothing more than schedule conflicts. Leonard is already working on his next album. There's a Spector trial underway that Leonard may or may not be required to do something in regard to. The two concerts are nearly a full week apart... and there are others surrounding them. They have a house to maintain in Montreal, as well the one in L.A. Leonard has a new grandson and a son, daughter-in-law, daughter, and sister who haven't seen him in awhile. He's been on a whirlwind tour overseas [I remember too well from last year how it can quickly wear you down and I'm younger than Leonard... though not by much :wink: ]. He has a life that he's still getting back on track, after the financial destruction wreaked upon it. There are so many reasons to choose from as to why he might simply choose to go home and rest and do other things... it's not even necessary to go outside the real things and into the imagined. There are plenty of things requiring his attention.

From my own experience of travel last summer, I know how exhausted I was and how long it took to recoup. Jet lag upon arrival is just the beginning. Getting a cold/the flu is the straw that broke the camel's back. Anyone with any sense [of which Leonard and Anjani have plenty] will not push themselves in situations like that. They chose to not meet-and-greet in Oslo. I'm glad not to have seen a lot of complaining about that. So, even though they had planned... and fans had anticipated... the whole nine yards there, life's twists and turns got in the way. I think it's incredibly gracious for them to be announcing at this point the change of plans. People have the opportunity to alter their own. I don't like the thought of people doing that, but at least they have the option... and that's because of Leonard's and Anjani's consideration.

I would love to see the goodwill of people who had hoped to see him... introduce his love... and sing two songs, both a duet... yes... these things are something to be enjoyed and treasured; yet, they are what they are... no one has lost out on a Leonard Cohen concert. Meeting him is meeting him, too; shaking hands with him, looking him in his eyes, and speaking and hearing a few words... I'm the last to say I don't understand how emotionally relevant this is. I know it is. Still... for whose benefit are they? Not his. He knows the appreciation of his fans, and not only does he know it, he does more... much more... than many... maybe even most [most, when it comes to his stature, for sure]... singer-songwriter-poets to consistently demonstrate his gratitude for those very same fans. These concerts are limited in number and in seating. Not even everyone who wants to go ~ whether he's there or not ~ are able to... that's a fact of life.

Concerts get cancelled all the time. That's a fact, too. This one's still going to happen, but there will be one voice missing on two songs, and a very brief introduction will be done by someone else... and a meeting that relatively very few [considering the size of his worldwide fan base] would have even had the opportunity to experience, will not take place. Well, join the many more like you... I can appreciate your disappointment, but I won't join you in the downward spiral of discontent.

Anjani has a beautiful and deeply satisfying voice. For me, with Anjani's concert tour, Anjani IS the main attraction. I feel that Geoffrey expressed it very well, with Leonard's being the wrapping paper to the beautiful gift of Anjani. Anjani's voice will sell on its own. I have Sacred Names, by her and her own, self-titled cd... and they are beautiful... still, as Leonard noted, her voice really did move to her heart. It's wonderfully undeniable. I will continue to buy Anjani's recordings as she,or she and Leonard make them. She will continue to be booked as a highly valued performer. She is not seeking a media blitz by the promoters who send less talented and accomplished skyrocketing to the top. She shares Leonard's humility.

As for us knowing the exact reasons that Leonard won't be appearing, I honestly feel that it is none of our business. The point is that he's not, for whatever single or combination of reasons. He's a private person and it's not going to make any difference at all whether we know the reason[s] or whether we don't.

My being a good sport is not currency and it doesn't come with invoices. Leonard owes me nothing. This whole thing reminds me in some remote way of a conversation that took place at a local, islandy-type bar [that felt less like one, due to its open air construction] in the Keys when I lived there almost two decades ago :shock: . I was younger then... and looked it, in every way. I had stopped in there to find a friend, who wasn't there, and ended up talking to this guy. The conversation somehow ~ well, alcohol is really the only explanation needed for its impetus ~ got around to where he simply announced that I needed to go to bed with him. "Excuse you :shock: !?! And... why would that be??" [I know I didn't need to know why, but this was so astonishing, that I wanted to know how he could be saying this.] Just as matter-of-factly, as though the bottom line had been reached with all the logic of scientific proofs, he responded in all sincerity, "Because I want to." Well, there you have it, the de facto justification... signed, sealed, and delivered. My flippant [equally arrogant, I'd say] response to his audaciousness was, "Well, if that's the only reason I went to bed with someone who wanted to, I would never get out of bed? And I really don't have that kind of time." I then left. In its own [as I said remote] way, this somewhat parallels this situation; that I am a good sport, that I want to meet Leonard, my man... these are no justification at all for him to alter his schedule or plans. In my playfulness with YdF and John K., I couldn't even imagine his or her making themselves get up to meet me for breakfast. Altering their daily, real life obligations on my behalf... the mere thought of that is absurd.

I'm hoping that by the time I've said all this that someone else with a voice of reason will have come alongside Jack's in support of wanting to see Anjani for the sake of seeing Anjani... and seeing, or maybe not seeing, Leonard another time will be just fine. He's already gone out there... and given of himself. I am thrilled that Ksenia and Justyna were able to meet him. If you could for even one moment imagine my face as being as beautiful as Justyna's, then just imagine that beautiful photo of her and Leonard as being me and Leonard... the spirit you see in her eyes and in her face is the same one you would be seeing in me... when I look at the photo, I recognize those inner feelings, the ones that don't come and go... so just pretend 8) .

I don't know what else to say at this very moment. All of this just causes me to feel very sad.


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Elizabeth/Lizzy/Lizzytysh [thanks for your caring thoughts for me, eeey ~ I just feel sad that they're coming at Anjani's and Leonard's expense]
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Wow, Elizabeth, that was quite a narrative. Like you and millions of others, I've loved our LC for years and years. His music, voice and words have always lived inside me. And I'm lucky enough to be seeing Anjani in LA next month. Maybe Anajani is enough for you... and I so agree that she will stand in her own right and I'm SO excited about seeing her live, even sans Leonard. But truth for me is that I want Leonard to be there too. I want to see him again, to feel that presence. And as we all know, he inspires a lot of passion in us....... and so I will be disappointed if he's not there. But that is separate and apart from how I feel about seeing Anjani. There's a big distinction for me.

Based on the posts I've seen, I'll definitely be going armed with a digital camera....... so Simon, I'll return that great favor of the pre-post shots (they were so great!!!).

I love this website....... Jarkko, you ROCK!

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Oh, dear, Lightning... I know you, and I know you can't possibly think that these words really apply.

These are Anjani's concerts. The promotional ones were the ones where a few very fortunate fans were able to receive some free, goodwill, gifts in the form of tickets to the performance... even to the extent that EACH single person who won was given TWO tickets, so they might be able to bring a guest of their own choosing.

These were the concerts that were billed "Leonard Cohen Introduces Anjani" and, even then, I questioned whether that was intended to be literal.

It was clearly health reasons that resulted in Anjani's going on with the show in Oslo, but straight back and to bed, afterward... and, Leonard, already feeling ill, not even staying for the whole show, and not participating at all in it, either one. A short-circuited intro and that's it.

"Mislead," "public deception," and "false advertising" are all terms suggesting malintent... and prevaricated malintent!! It was ONLY and VERY RECENTLY that we were notified that Leonard would be attending only the first show on the 24th; not the second show; and not the show on the 29th. That is because there was obviously a necessary change of plans... OR because the realization came about that people had misinterpreted what had been written... Anjani and Leonard would have only arrived back home from Europe very recently... a fact possibly aligned with the announcement here.

I know how exhausted I was in Poland, in Berlin, and on Hydra... and how LONG it took me to recuperate once I was home! I had many plans for what I was going to do on Hydra, but injury got in the way... and I barely did a thing, except enjoy the lovely company of Xenia, who had the patience of an angel in allowing me to babystep my way around the harbour and up and down the alleyways on her arm. Had a single one of my initial plans involved another person, would my necessary cancellation of them entitled that person to accuse me of malintent? NO!!

Someone on the Berlin trip missed the initial day of activity there... had they been a performer with a promised engagement, they'd have no more been able to walk to a stage or to hold an audience with someone for that entire day than Leonard and Anjani were on the night they weren't able to follow through on their plans. Would that person's necessary cancellations been viewed from a perspective of illwill? No. Generally, the flu takes awhile to resolve. Relapses can occur. Hopefully, they'll both be feeling fine by the time the first show of the 24th arrives... even Leonard's not being at the second show tells me that he knows his limitations. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've commented on how much earlier I have to be in bed anymore to really feel decent the next day. That's just the way it is.

Leonard and Anjani are two, very busy people who are trying to accomplish a whole lot in a relatively brief period of time. All of that takes time and energy, energy and time.

No one... not Leonard, not Anjani, not Joe's Pub [that has limited seating, anyway... and has no trouble filling the house going by the acts I saw listed on their website... and the tickets aren't even expensive to begin with...], no one has participated in deceit in any way with any of this. It's simply and merely a change of plans... OR it's a correction of a noted, and unfortunate, misinterpretation and false presumption. Period.

If I weren't going to go to New York, I wouldn't ask for a refund of my ticket, anyway; I would ask that it be given to Anjani with my good wishes. And, now, even if Leonard had considered the possibility of opting to go to the second show... or to come on the 29th, I am forced to wonder what his position would be at this point, anyway... seeing the disregard for Anjani... seeing the strong-arm tactics to try to force him into some sort of compliant submission to public pressure.

This is really appalling.

I love you, Lightning, but I'm really astonished by your position on this. I know that if Brel, with the unrelenting pursuit by fans and media [NOT unlike what Leonard experiences], were to not feel well [and we already know what catching a cold resulted in with him] and he opted to cancel on some public appearances, where he really WAS the main attraction, because he realized he needed the kind of long-term [the kind that really works] rest of not having to go... and be... and talk... and be with... and be up... and be up late... and be... be... be... what everyone else wants you to be... that terms such as the ones you've used here would not even be considered for usage, and that you'd be upset if someone else used them.



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PS Try and change yer ticket. And I'm sure your hair'll be fine.
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Hi Christine ~
Maybe Anajani is enough for you... and I so agree that she will stand in her own right and I'm SO excited about seeing her live, even sans Leonard. But truth for me is that I want Leonard to be there too. I want to see him again, to feel that presence. And as we all know, he inspires a lot of passion in us....... and so I will be disappointed if he's not there. But that is separate and apart from how I feel about seeing Anjani. There's a big distinction for me.


I'm quoting this portion of what you wrote, so I don't have to keep scrolling back to it, and can just respond here.

Yes... Anjani is enough for me. The circumstances have changed and in that those circumstances have changed, she is enough for me. She would want Leonard to be there. Leonard would want to be there. For whatever reason, Leonard won't be there. Anjani will be enough for me.

This reality, however, is not mutually exclusive with my wanting to see Leonard. I would LOVE to see Leonard and to meet him [again ~ though I still feel it would be as though for the first real time]. Wanting Leonard to be there, too, is fine, Christine. I want him to be there, too, but he's not going to be. That is where the paradigm shift takes place.

Being disappointed is fine, too. I talked with Kleinschmidt about that very thing regarding Leonard's not taking part in the performances or meeting with people in Oslo. I can understand that disappointment. I would feel it myself, if I went expecting to see Leonard... which WAS clearly the intent and expectation with those promotional concerts. I can even feel it in some measure, not even thinking he would be when I initially made my plans... just in a general sense, knowing that Leonard is still out there and won't be forever... and that, that "so near, yet so far" thing has happened with regard to the 24th vs. the 29th... or, even more acutely, the 24th early show vs. the 24th late show. Yes, I can understand the disappointment.

Disappointment isn't what's happening here. What's happening here is a demeaning and vitriolic attitude toward Anjani and Leonard; directly or indirectly doesn't matter. This is hardly the positive-type reenforcement Leonard needs to see, if he were to consider even a limited tour when he finishes his new album. This is deep-end stuff.


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I'm totally agreed that they're separate and apart feeling. One goes with the hope he'll be there BUT with the understanding there's no responsibility on his part to do that. AND with the understanding that you're going to see a helluva show. Cos if Leonard feels this deeply about her singing, that's also enough for me. So I think we're agreeing, Lizzie........ but I still think you should try and change your tics!!! Don't stay up too late now....

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Hi Christine ~
So I think we're agreeing, Lizzie........ but I still think you should try and change your tics!!! Don't stay up too late now....
Yes, I think we're agreeing, too, Christine... according to your last posting, anyway. I hope Leonard does decide to stop by in L.A. He's already right there and it wouldn't require any planes or trains; just automobiles. One never knows... without expectation, you always stand the chance of surprize. So, my best wishes to you with whatever that outcome may be... strictly on the basis of one never knows, and always hoping for the best 8) .

I can tell you I've sure stayed up later tonite than I had any intention of doing :shock: !! Just a quick catch-up was all I had in mind... well, all of that was a catch-up I could've lived without.

I'm so tired now, I can't even think off-hand of what airline I'm flying on... so, I guess any ticket-change explorations will just have to wait until tomorrow. First, I'll need to double-check with my supervisor on whether it really would be okay for me to go mid-week... missing two days work as opposed to none. I'll let you know what happens... but don't be surprized to see me still go on the 29th sans Leonard :wink: and avec Anjani 8) .


~ Lizzy :D

At least I'm feeling like smiling now... good time to say goodnight.
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Si... and my earlier posting where I made it clear that I was so excited to see Anjani live, even without Leonard. Good luck on your tics and work schedule. I'm cognizant of your Florida time since I'm here in CA.... and it's close to 10pm here. Keep writing...... you're a big part of why this site is so alive.

Nite, Lizzy!

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