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Excuse me -- did I miss something here?

Was that quote from BEAUTIFUL LOSERS?

And why would Leonard want to retract it, when it's obviously sooooo true?

Why would anyone want to be on good terms with the House of Windsor????

I also wonder if I have miss something. Why does Leonard Cohen (if it is really him) felt the need to write a note of excuse/explanation? He claimed that he would like to write for an elite (and therefor living with the fate of being understood only by few) while he was having the advantage of a popular author. We could say that he has his cake and eat it too, in this regard). Now he is afraid of misunderstandings.

Precisely because it is obviously sooooo true, dear.

(Strange question fot the mother-to-be-of-a-BL-event.)

He may want to be in good term not only with the "Chinese lady that wash clothes in the river that would sing his songs", but with this Englishman who drinks tea and eat scones at 4 o'clock reading his newspapers who projects a part of his identity on the Queen - she is a symbol of Great Britain, and what one does to her may affect all her subjects (or almost all of them).

Or just because, she is OK, the Queen. And she is human too. Why would anybody wants to hurt her feelings for nothing? And by the way why anybody would not want to be in good term with the House of Windsor?

Anyway, for some reason, I too feel that this story is a bit strange (He always be such an original.), although he did not want to retract it at all, as he never said this. He just wanted to make straight that it comes from fiction he wrote a long time ago, that it is not what he is usually saying, nude with a lamp shade on the head, in parties to make people laugh.

Well, could be he is just being kind to a fellow septuagenarian -- or it's because of the OTHER article that appeared recently ine the Daily Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ohen19.xml

This piece, I am told, caused a major upswing in Leonard's fortunes in the UK, and has made him -- maybe not a household word -- but a pretty popular guy in circles where Prince Charles' opinions matter.

Also interesting to note that the Telegraph is a vehicle for right-wing politics, and two of its journalist recently resigned after being outed as working for British intelligence. The paper used to be owned by Lord Conrad Black -- who sits on the Council for Foreign Relations, the Privy Council of Canada, and of course the Bilderberg group which is said to have planned the current invasion of Lebanon by Israel, at its recent meeting in Ottawa.

I expect the Queen reads the Telegraph when she eats her cornflakes in the morning.

Now what does this all have to do with LC?

Well, it just seems the House of Windsor have been in his thoughts from the beginning, and perhaps in the days when he was scribbling BEAUTIFUL LOSERS, his loyalty was more in question than it is today.

The House of Windsor are -- in my opinion -- not the nicest people in the world. Before her death, Diana was in the habit of referring to them as "The Lizards" --

Actually (hahaha -- I am NOT doing blatant self-promotion here but) I recently posted an item at my blog entitled THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES (And I'm not referring to Mick and Keith):

http://anndiamond.blog-city.com

Have a nice day!

""Is he a jazz player?" inquires Prince William."
"Baby, he is the genuine jazzer."
would have said Prince Charles.
While we are into gossips and forged gossips among true facts. There are the best : the worst to sort (is it true, is it false?) as they are covered by a thin layer of reality that creates illusion.

In my mind, if he would have been only care for what you said, he would have write only to Prince Charles and Mum and the mob could choke on their cornflakes - according that some of them, including the children, have something to eat for breakfast. Something other then a slap on the mouth.

A writer should not have to apologize for statements made in novels written a long, long time ago when he was young and working under the influences of that time and place.

But I do understand why he did this. I'm not sure he really has a choice.

That's the nature of the "Entertainment Business" today: not that it was ever free.

Also. where does Bono get the cash for Live 8? Another exercise in mass mind control, if there ever was one.

Yes. I know also that all this stuff on conspiracies are the bread and butter of journalist and other scribblers that have to live on their pen - and this is difficult.

We all know that we don't know everything. We all know that there is secrets behind the closed doors of decision-makers that we will never know about. We all know that where there is power there is abuse of power.

I know that now there is a fashion that makes the "word business" runs about "discovering" "conspiracies" : fiction mixed with the daily reality of Jane and John Doe. It makes them dream and lure them even more than they are.

They are about to open a collection like for Harlequin : Cons spy & cie. Maybe you could send your CV there.

This said, you did inform me with interesting information about Conrad Black. I usually turn my head the other way when the subject comes on him. He has a name for a Hollywood movie villain (and hum.. maybe a little more) : jump on this occasion It is almost too good to be true.

Dear Tschokolatl

Don't get upset! Listen to the words of "The Street" and hear what our friend is saying. It's a pretty honest and revealing song.

He says, "You joined the militia and wear their camouflage" -- this is my generation he's talking about. But then, let's not forget that photo of Cohen wearing the uniform of the Cuban militia -- he has worn a lot of uniforms.

The fact is, conspiracies aside, many secrets are now coming to light. Don't you want this to happen?

Should we all remain unwitting till they come and drag us away and lock us up for having thoughts and speaking our minds?

Here's a story, meanwhile, on Bono and one of his other investments. Now, is he unwitting or not? Maybe he's just a musician who doesn't read the fine print when he signs agreements...

http://www.pww.org/article/view/9460/

humanponysss2000 wrote:A writer should not have to apologize for statements made in novels written a long, long time ago when he was young and working under the influences of that time and place.

But I do understand why he did this. I'm not sure he really has a choice.

That's the nature of the "Entertainment Business" today: not that it was ever free.

Also. where does Bono get the cash for Live 8? Another exercise in mass mind control, if there ever was one.

Ah! On that one, I agree : make poverty history was mainly an act of accounting : making the figures balances in the book and keeping the people voting for you while social conditions keeps to go down the ditch in "rich" societies for ordinary people.

Iif we have learned anything from Leonard, it should be to "read the fine print."

And also between the lines of course.

Leonard is a great master of subtext. He knows way more than he will ever tell about the way the world really works.

So we have to do our own research.

For your other statement, well... the owner of the newspaper just had to ask (you know how it is) kindly to the journalit to remove this quote from his article.

I think that besides them the British like to play with this symbol of them, the Queen, and royal families. Hours of entertainment. They like to talk about wathever turns around it. It is a magnet.

Besides, this would not be the first time Leonard Cohen is expressing regrets for things he had done in the past and nobody was forcing his hands to do it. In fact, he was quite an arrogant young man, and he is now - as you stressed - a complete different septuagenarian. He changed, he changes (like all of us) and he has the right to want people to recognize this.

I am not mad at you. I'm not even mad that you are doing bread and butter with false conspiracies stories, I just give the hour as it is : it makes them dream and lure them even more. It is better if you go on real ground, but now this is dangerous. You can have an "accident" and you know it.

humanponysss2000 wrote:Dear Tschokolatl

Don't get upset! Listen to the words of "The Street" and hear what our friend is saying. It's a pretty honest and revealing song.

He says, "You joined the militia and wear their camouflage" -- this is my generation he's talking about. But then, let's not forget that photo of Cohen wearing the uniform of the Cuban militia -- he has worn a lot of uniforms.

The fact is, conspiracies aside, many secrets are now coming to light. Don't you want this to happen?

Should we all remain unwitting till they come and drag us away and lock us up for having thoughts and speaking our minds?

Here's a story, meanwhile, on Bono and one of his other investments. Now, is he unwitting or not? Maybe he's just a musician who doesn't read the fine print when he signs agreements...

http://www.pww.org/article/view/9460/

I'm not upset, dear, I repeat. It is just that battle in a secret war is not for children and naive people.

While wanting to make light on some "conspiracies", doing this : either you are playing the role of the naive who is used as a... puppet (again) (and I think this is what he meant by "wairing a uniform" - without knowing it) or you are fighting alone againts a powerful organization that has no morality.

I think Bono is a musician and a good man. This is why he is so credible, because he is true. Shadow can hide behind such a light, and there was a lot of good will in this mouvement also.

Yes, of course, I would like to know the truth like eveybody. But I don't believe in easy answers.

Bread and butter from "false conspiracy stories"|???? this is a notion straight from your imagination, T.

Leonard was my teacher in opening my eyes to the high levels of deception that operate on our planet. Because he moved within that world, and was practiced at the art of it himself. Otherwise, he would not have survived to be a septuagenarian.

You laugh about "sonspiracies", but we are being led straight into a bloody and likely nuclear confrontation with the other half of the planet, in part because people of your generation can't figure out what is "real" anymore. You're swimming in cynicism. It completely paralyzes you.

So you listen to Leonard Cohen, the way others go to church, because he tells you it's okay, God loves you, and emptiness awaits if we all just forgive -- and forget. He says it's all just another sequel to the Red, White and Blue -- hope he hasn't forgot the French Revolution which was bloody too.

Some people would rather live in Nirvana but to me that solution looks like darkness and confusion. I learned wakefulness from the Roshi -- who encourages people to feel their pain, not mask it with religion.

Forgiveness, sure, oh yes. I believe in that too - but not at the price of forgetfulness.

Floating in a dream while your government commits mass murder -- this is not my idea of a good time.

While you were sleeping, listening to music, or waiting for the Second Coming, our leaders have been very busy.

"I'll meet you on the corner of what used to be a street" -- that's another of Leonard's famous understatements.

Others use a bullhorn:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7579389947

Where did you read that I have a good time while governments are commited mass murder?

There is a big difference between taking things seriously and taking us seriously (The second, i think is a big joke, anybody who takes him/herself too seriously is suspect to me).

Now I am under the impression that it is you who are upset, dear. I did not want to make you upset.

I do not want to make you upset, but your analysis of me is not accurate also. It is coloured of your own subjectivity of what you think I am.

I make a duty to feel my pain and not to mask it with religion or with any oriental philosophy like zen (I witness some people using it like that, you know), or any thing. This said, once the pain have done its duty and I acklowledge a painful situation, I choose to act like this or like that or not to act at all, BUT I just don't pamper my pain again and again, I try to put an end to it, the sooner the better, I make a duty of this to. I'm am not a pain worshiper. Pain is like the rest, you know, it can be used to mask the reality at a certain point and be a very efficient excuse to stay in a state of illusion.

I make aslo a duty to recognize all my emotions even the ones that are not "correct" (instead of finding a skapegoat to project my negative sides in a magical attempt to be perfect, or in a more pragmatic will of preserving a false image of perfection in the eyes of others).

Besides, with all respect due to the wisdom of a Zen Master like Roshi, I must say that he knows nothing about my religion and maybe you don't know either. So, please, let me judge what I must do with my religion and my belief which are not what you described.

Really all this is now too superficial for my taste. Too easy. Much much too easy. It is like too much kindergaten level "you a this and that", jumping to conclusion and though words to the face of the other, instead of a real communication.

Sorry. But it bores me to death those kinds of exchanges. Nothing personal, OK?

If your last lines are about war in Liban, well, I sure think that this is (another) war horror that should not be.

This said, I continue to think that the more the war mentality is spreading all over the world, the more we must keep our heart in peace, the more we must avoid panic. This is how the action have a chance to be more wise and efficient. This has nothing to do with dreaming.

Take care.