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John,

Joe is well aware of my many flaws. It really is not necessary to draw attention to them.


YdF

Young dr. Freud wrote:John,

Joe is well aware of my many flaws. It really is not necessary to draw attention to them.


YdF

I think we should all be reminded from time to time. It helps the forum to keep things in context.

Are you kidding? Most of the forum couldn't keep a dog's bark in context.


YdF

Young dr. Freud wrote:
John,

Joe is well aware of my many flaws. It really is not necessary to draw attention to them.


YdF



I think we should all be reminded from time to time. It helps the forum to keep things in context.

Hi John-

This forum is filled with freaks like YdF. That's why I feel so at home here.

Joe

Dear Sherry ~

What you, Joe, and Tchoc feel are not at odds with one another ~ herein is why [italicized, relevant word]:

"Can't you remember the joy that you experienced by pulling that thick booklet out of the folds of the album cover?" Joe's ~ yes, sensuous ~ description was not regarding a cd with its Queen Victoria corset, but rather that of albums of olde ~ his description so accurate and commentable, as well as commendable .

~ Lizzy

[Lizzy wrote: "What you, Joe, and Tchoc feel are not at odds with one another ~ herein is why [italicized, relevant word]: 'Can't you remember the joy that you experienced by pulling that thick booklet out of the folds of the album cover?' Joe's ~ yes, sensuous ~ description was not regarding a cd with its Queen Victoria corset, but rather that of albums of olde ~ his description so accurate and commentable, as well as commendable."]
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Hi Lizzy,

Nice to hear from you again. Actually, I was only referring to Tchoc's reference to trying to open the wrap from a CD - I was so caught up in Joe's story that I didn't even realize he was talking about an LP record. I don't think I ever bought more than one or two LPs in my life, so I couldn't really relate to his experience of tearing the saranwrap off the album cover.

By the way, how does one attach the emoticons to the text?

Sherry

Hi Sherry ~

I figured it was a generational thing . It really was much more user friendly in our days . I share your sentiments on the "good luck on getting to this cd" challenge .

For the emoticons, you'll see that whilst posting, there is a showing of them on the left. When you want to insert one, your cursor will already be at the position [or you can backtrack and place your cursor at the position] where you want one to appear. Then, via your mouse, you merely point your arrow at the emoticon you wish to insert ~ and, when the arrow becomes a hand, you left-click on your mouse. You'll see the emoticon appear in its 'written' form, but when you Submit, it will be in its 'face' form.

Now, if I see one in your follow-up posting, I'll know that I managed to describe the process adequately for you . Doesn't need to be 'well' ~ just 'adequate' .

Nice to talk with you, again, too ~ and, yes, the process Joe so well described does apply to albums, but not to cds, except for the bonus, written materials one might find on the cd's foldout.

~ Lizzy

Hi Sherry and Tchoco-
I certainly didn't mean to ignore your comments, but I really appreciate Lizzy going ahead and clarifying what I was trying to say in a much more straightforward manner.

There were some romantic aspects of buying old vinyl albums that seemed to transcend my current music shopping. For one thing, each trip to a music store was an adventure as I had no idea when albums were being released. Should there be a "new" Leonard Cohen album every few years, it would take me by complete surprise. Each venture to the store required a little peek into the bin marked "Leonard Cohen" to see if by any chance there was something new there. Of course, I was often disappointed but when there was a new one-what joy!

I confess that I still take that occasional peek into the bin knowing full well that Leonard through Jarkko will give me full advance warning. I think the first album that I noticed by other means was "The Future." I saw an ad in a local publication and while I was glad that Leonard received this publicity from a local shop, I felt a little cheated that my usual method had been subverted. That album, coincidentally, was the first that I purchased in CD form. The opportunity was there for "I'm Your Man" but I did not yet have a CD player.

Despite Snow's dire predictions (made with his tongue firmly in his cheek), there are a lot more selections available and we are not limited to mainstream artists. It is clearly apparent to me that with the entire industry is continuing to go through great changes. This past weekend, Anne and I went to see Brandi Carlile at a small local venue. In addition to the on site sales of CD's taking place, Brandi had a yellow legal pad and a place to write your email address to be advised of new albums and tour information. Additionally, we were each handed a 6 song sampler cd from artists who obviously thought that if we liked Brandi (and Marc Broussard, who was actually the headliner), we might enjoy their music also (enough perhaps to purchase a full CD). This whole technique, from my own sales and marketing days used to be known as "Guerilla Marketing." Instead of large budget advertising buys, small, strategically placed selling efforts are employed. This is certainly not news to anyone, but it is interesting to compare the changes that have taken place through the years.

Even if you go back to Leonard's roots, it was clear that artists like Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen were a different and, at that time, significant change from the big artist stable that Columbia controlled. They initially represented a very small part of both the audience and the marketing budget that Columbia was courting. The Beatles, of course, changed forever the economics of the the industry and no one wanted to miss out on a potential phenomenom. I thought that some of the business aspects were some of the more fascinating parts of the the Dylan series on TV recently.

And you are both right, those little, anti-theft strips that they put on CD jewel cases are one of the most obnoxious inventions of recent decades.

Joe

Joe Way wrote: I think the first album that I noticed by other means was "The Future." I saw an ad in a local publication and while I was glad that Leonard received this publicity from a local shop, I felt a little cheated that my usual method had been subverted. That album, coincidentally, was the first that I purchased in CD form. The opportunity was there for "I'm Your Man" but I did not yet have a CD player.

I hope I don't hijack this thread, but I find this an opportune time to mention that the first CD I bought was Neil Young's "Freedom". It was only available at the store on CD, so I walked out with the CD and a player too.

"And you are both right, those little, anti-theft strips that they put on CD jewel cases are one of the most obnoxious inventions of recent decades."

The irony is how easy it is to steal the content of the CD despite the strips that make the case hard to open.

Hi folks!

Joe, I had well understood what you meant. It was very clear.

Maybe I should have wrote "if only the CDs I am buying, like the ancient albums Joe just described, etc." to be better understood myself.

Sherry, I forgot to add also that at least one or two CDs were equiped with the same ingenious patent the pack of cigarettes had (still have, probably, I don't know). How nice it was.

Lightning, how true, I think it is a revange, but why on us? It is always the honest people who pay for the others .

Seriously, it is aslo a good protection because the format of CDs makes it easy to steal the complete things in stores. Nobody can steal it, unwrapped it without being noticed, and say "ey! man, relax, it's mine". Well maybe with one (and I doubt it) but not a dozen in the same time, at least.

Joe, you bet the Beatles changed it. Apple vs Apple.

Hi Lizzy,

Thanks for the instructions on how to use the emoticons. This is a test. I will try to insert one somewhere here in the text.

I just had one more bone I wanted to pick when it comes to buying music of new artists. Sometimes I hear a song or singer on the radio that I really like, but for some reason the DJs today don't always announce the name of the performer. I don't know when this change came about, but I remember very clearly way back in the 70s, in the days when I listened to more music on the radio, the singer was always announced either before or after a song was played - sometimes both. Now, I usually have to resort to asking one of my kids if they know who it is, assuming they're around when I'm listening. I find it irritating because there have been times when I would have gone out and bought a CD of someone I had heard, if I had only known who they were. I suppose people find out these things by watching channels like MTV, but I don't really have that much free time.

Cheers,
Sherry

P.S. Great! It looks like the emoticon works too. Thanks again Lizzy.

Heyyyyyy, allllllriiiiiiight ~ Emoticon Queen !!! Easy, isn't it? You're welcome, of course. My pleasure .

I share that same frustration and hadn't really put it together that 'things' had changed ~ I just wondered from one time to the next why the dj was being so negligent, as if I wouldn't wonder and care who it was. Trying to call the station [for me] is nearly useless, too, as I listen to NPR and many of the programs are out of other areas, bought and broadcast. So, it's quite convoluted trying to get to the bottom of who in the heck that was or what the album is. Yes, before and after, they often did that, in case you missed the beginning or end of the song, you still had the information you needed . Not now .

~ Lizzy

An eclectic non-commmercial music lovers station like WFMU out of New Jersey, USA ( http://www.wfmu.org) has most of it's DJs list their songs online as they play them. (They even played some Dear Heather).
WBGO, a jazz station does the same, and I'm sure other stations must be doing this. The info about the song, the performer and the album is right there before your eyes on the accu-vue playlist, archived, even, so you can hear it anytime you want.
Radio has come a long way since the internet. Check to see if your favorite station is doing this too. A Real Player or something like it is a must for listening, but the playlist can be seen without it.
I just checked NPRs website and found they have excellent detailed playlists. Lizzy, you are in luck. just turn on your computer as you listen.