It's a pity

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jurica
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Re: It's a pity

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Fljotsdale wrote:Is this how we want Leonard to see us? Vicious, spiteful, backbiting?
what do you care what Leonard thinks of his fans? its him who needs to worry what we think of him (othervise, there wouldn't be any millions for KL or anybody else to steal). if he dislikes the spirit on the board. well - he doesn't have to read anything.

just like you or me, for that matter. you'll get nowhere fast asking: "please, don't be like this or that because i want you to be nice, friendly and obediant". sorry for this 'knife in the back', but you shouldn't go around telling people how they should behave on the forum ESPECIALLY since you are a newbie.
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Re: It's a pity

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jurica wrote:
Fljotsdale wrote:Is this how we want Leonard to see us? Vicious, spiteful, backbiting?
what do you care what Leonard thinks of his fans?
I don't understand this comment, I'm afraid. It's natural to care what he thinks of us, isn't it? :?
jurica wrote:its him who needs to worry what we think of him
Again, I'm sorry, but I don't understand this comment. Why should he 'worry'? Surely, he just appreciates his fans...?
jurica wrote:(othervise, there wouldn't be any millions for KL or anybody else to steal).
Very modest millions, I think you will agree, compared to the money made by such as John Lennon, et al.
jurica wrote:if he dislikes the spirit on the board. well - he doesn't have to read anything.
Of course.
jurica wrote:just like you or me, for that matter. you'll get nowhere fast asking: "please, don't be like this or that because i want you to be nice, friendly and obediant". sorry for this 'knife in the back', but you shouldn't go around telling people how they should behave on the forum ESPECIALLY since you are a newbie.
Is a newbie not entitled to an opinion on this site, then, jurica? I was unaware of that.
In the other forums where I post, everyone - from young pre-teen, to ancient pensioner, whether newbie or present from the site's inception - is allowed to express opinions freely. Though no flaming, trolling, or spamming is allowed, naturally.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Diane wrote:Fljotsdale :D , I have a bone to pick with you! I was listening to Field Commander Cohen yesterday, and when Memories was playing I recalled your amusement at the 'naked body' lines...and it wrecked my appreciation of the song! For some reason I was reminded of Chris De Burgh's Patricia the Stripper :roll: , don't know why. Anyway, I've decided to forgive you. I've decided to think of it as adding rather than taking away. After all, I never laughed before whilst listening. :lol:
LOL! Sorry Diane! And thanks for the forgiveness! I find a lot of his stuff makes me laugh - but that one particularly has me in stitches. I saw a video of him singing it and just collapsed! Don't anyone tell me that man has no sense of humour! :wink:
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Tri-me wrote:We live in a world that is full of diversity, thankfully. I would hate to live in a cookie cutter world. If something offends or rubs you the wrong way, just ignore. The punching bag thread sorry no does not appeal, but there are people who handle things this way and have diferent ways of showing their frustration, I have to believe that no one would actually harm Ms Lynch. There are many passionate people in the Leonard Cohen Files, we all share a common love of his work. It is possible that here are people in this forum that have met him, mostly we know him through his work which is very personal and intimate. So in a way we feel that we know him I totally undersatand this. I know he will come out of this on top. He has been studying Buddhism long enough to survive a bump like this. He is in my mind a Bodhisattva:
A Buddhist term to describe a person who is embarked on the path to enlightenment.
a Bodhisattva may have to live a hundred life times to achieve this, reincarnation is a huge part of Buddhism. This is part of his journey, part of his karma, challenges like this are expected and a way to see into ourselves in order to grow closer to enlightenment. Detachment is also a big part of Buddhism. attachment, clinging causes suffering. He will not be on a street corner like in "Down and out in London and Paris" too many people love him and he has too much talent to end up this way. After the initial feeling if OH CRAP DAMN HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO HIM I can't help but feel optomistic :) . The suppoirt and love that is coming from this forum is a drop in the bucket in the love and support coming to him from all the people who have heard the news and respect and love him, family, friends and fans. Booga booga
Only just seen this Tri-me. You are absolutely right. :)
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by linda_lakeside »

Hi Fljotsdale,

As much as many of us have hoped he might, it's rather doubtful that LC actually reads this forum, especially now. As I mentioned before somewhere, Jarkko has passed his best wishes (from us, his fans) onto Leonard personally. I think Leonard is very aware that he has a strong fan base, who are supporting him thru this time.

As to your overall feeling that this forum is more 'back-biting' than the one where you 'fight ferociously', as you've seen, things do usually work out. However, we're a diverse group of people, so that may take some time.

Linda.

PS: Leonard's b'day is coming up, and usually this site does a little something for Leonard, and I would think, that at this time in his life, the support of his fans will be come thru loud and clear.

The in-fighting is really our problem, is it not?
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Post by bee »

Fljotsdale- please read Jurica's post one more time-take your time to think about it. He has given answers to your questions, don't question same thing over and over again.
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Post by Fljotsdale »

I wasn't aware that I was, bee.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by Steven »

Hi All,

As Suzanne isn't here, she isn't able to show us "where to look
among the garbage and the flowers." Personal attacks in
discussion forums are garbage and are to the detriment of
quality, growth and meaningful participation. It's bad karma
to do so (we don't have to wait for any future lives to reap
what we sow), uninteresting and a turnoff to visitors. Enough
of it and people find a tipping point, where they no longer
find a forum fun or otherwise useful and they simply leave.
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Post by Fljotsdale »

You said it much better than I did, Steven. :)
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by LaurieAK »

I find it ironic, interesting and not the least bit surprising that in the big scheme of things this thread has not created a 'black or white' response to its given subject.

You roll a dice and come up with infinate combinations, and here we are. To think that all dissention is automatically evil and wrong and all smiles and clamped lips (fingers) the way that is divine and right; well it is just silly. I fully embrace the logic of karma and reaping what we sow. I also fully realize *I* cannot change anyone but myself. With that given, my bit of wailing against the 'melodramatic overload' that is prevalent and predictable is nothing but a futile attempt at doing what I know is impossible. On the other hand, maybe something 'good' has come of it? Maybe the volume of nonsense (yes, purely a judgement call) will be turned lower. Or maybe I will suffer a fitting retribution, if the 'universe' sees fit. I embrace whatever comes.

This is earth. We are people not robots set on smile while enduring all.

Laurie
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Post by Nan »

Yes, I agree Laurie. "Volume of nonsense" and "melodramatic overload" describes it very well. One would think that Leonard was living in a cardboard box in L.A. to hear all the wailing that's going on. Yes, Leonard was betrayed but he seems to have had a hand in his own betrayal.

Fljotsdale, Snow, Stephen, this is a mild site. I dont think Jurica and Bee or anyone else has said anything all that harsh. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Please don't try to muzzle others. If our moderator sees the need He will be the one to make that decision.

And Fljotsdale, you said yourself that on your site that members "fight ferociously" but that you remain good friends "usually". So am I wrong to assume that on some occasions members don't remain "good friends"? Sounds like the typical board on the internet to me. What's the name of this site where you mod? Might make interesting reading.
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Post by Paula »

Nan said

Please don't try to muzzle others.

I couldn't agree more. I would be interested to know what site you moderate too Flots. This site where people argue and often make up. How does it differ from what goes on here. I have had some right barneys with people on this site. Can't stand people who pussyfoot around being nice on every issue. They come across as false.
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Post by Perth »

And how do I come across Paua? don't hold back, I can take it.

By the way which one of you wimps has taken my car keys?
mmmmm?
come on
tell you what, I'll close my eyes and you can just put them back and we'll say no more about it...


you degenerate magpie.
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Post by Fljotsdale »

Paula, Nan:

http://www.ufrforums.com/index.php

It's a different sort of fighting. More yelling, less knives, sort of thing. People can be savage, but not... um... politely.
Mostly, anyway. :wink: *cough* I tend to be good at that. *cough*

The people I argue with most are the ones I like the most, usually, or at the very least the ones I enjoy fighting with, LOL. :lol:

I'm not trying to stop you guys fighting however you like to do it - I was just sort of upset by the snidiness (ok, not a proper word!) of it.

Mostly, people are pretty nice in there. I like 'em, anyway. Maybe you won't. :)

And I agree, Paula. It's what I find so difficult here, LOL! People are too damn POLITE while they are being nasty! If you want to be nasty, for Pete's sake go for the throat, not a knife in the back!
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by Tchocolatl »

People who are playing this game, they call this wit, Flojt. They do think that people who are not playing it are not good enough to do so, consequently, they, in addition to have a lot of fun, think that they are very special. The other people also, but there is special and special.

It is a game like another one, though.

What is the difference to hit someone with wit, fits, laughters, feet, guns, bombs, in regard of karma Stephen? Negative energy is negative energy it boomerangs with the force it was launched. So why botter too much? The only way to win is not to play. When you play, the winner of the game is the biggest loser but he is happy about that, so...

This is interesting this moderation thing. Like in real society we have official rules (net-ethiquette), official authority or leader. Then a lot of non-written rules, and a couple of non official leaders. Like in any real community, when rules are not assumed deeply inside people (when they are not following them because they are convinced they are wise for everybody including themselves, but just because they fear to be punished) when the law can be by-passed without the social punishments that go with the rules, they are by-passing them all often as they have the opportunity to do it. Be it to hit people or anything else. Like stoling their money. Smash their trust. Whatever. Interesting phenomenon of society.

As far as I understand, though, your post is a true nice concern, but people seems to be badly perceived, like if you wanted to "fix them".
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