I did think that Einstein believed in a conventional God, but your explanation makes more sense for a mathematician/physicist. Einstein, of course, had theories on energy as well. However, I don't know if they coincide with mine.
Linda.
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Jo, I do believe you are right. Stephen Hawkings also said that he believes in God as creator. But in this case, as well, the 'creator' was the 'big bang' and he went on to add that this kind of "God" was not the kind of God one could have a personal relationship with.
I did think that Einstein believed in a conventional God, but your explanation makes more sense for a mathematician/physicist. Einstein, of course, had theories on energy as well. However, I don't know if they coincide with mine.
Linda.
I did think that Einstein believed in a conventional God, but your explanation makes more sense for a mathematician/physicist. Einstein, of course, had theories on energy as well. However, I don't know if they coincide with mine.
Linda.
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Hi Paula,
Yep, that's the way I see/saw it. The details will remain forever mysterious (to me as well as anyone else).
Cia isn't too far off the mark. I do wear clogs quite a bit (with jeans) and I've many times stepped off a curb too quickly, twisted an ankle or actuallly fallen, splayed on the sidewalk like one who's had one too many. Very embarrassing. These things only happen when you think you're looking fine and walking with head high, back straight and then...splat. So, if I meet my maker in this fashion (or any other) I'll send you both PMs. OK?
Linda.
Yep, that's the way I see/saw it. The details will remain forever mysterious (to me as well as anyone else).
Cia isn't too far off the mark. I do wear clogs quite a bit (with jeans) and I've many times stepped off a curb too quickly, twisted an ankle or actuallly fallen, splayed on the sidewalk like one who's had one too many. Very embarrassing. These things only happen when you think you're looking fine and walking with head high, back straight and then...splat. So, if I meet my maker in this fashion (or any other) I'll send you both PMs. OK?
Linda.
Paula- I am confused who are these people of the present time calling themselves-medium.
There is a word - mystic, which would be closer to a meaning. That person who would have spiritual experience very secret, thus under no circumstance that would become as a merchandise and sold for money.
I don't mean here religious mystics as St.Francis, or St.John of Cross, who were deeply into mystical revelations of God and nature of God and God's love.
I don't know if you are familiar with Emanuel Svedenborg, ( 1688 -1772) who was a mystic, mathematician, geologist, philosopher etc. He's written many books, one of them is "De coelo et inferno"- " About heaven and hell".
It is a hard read, but it might give you an insight what the charlatans have been blubbering about without any sense what they're talking about.
Svedenborg (there is a city in Sweden named in honor to him) was a true visionary with clear openness to spiritual world, being able to see things and events trough space and time.
There is a word - mystic, which would be closer to a meaning. That person who would have spiritual experience very secret, thus under no circumstance that would become as a merchandise and sold for money.
I don't mean here religious mystics as St.Francis, or St.John of Cross, who were deeply into mystical revelations of God and nature of God and God's love.
I don't know if you are familiar with Emanuel Svedenborg, ( 1688 -1772) who was a mystic, mathematician, geologist, philosopher etc. He's written many books, one of them is "De coelo et inferno"- " About heaven and hell".
It is a hard read, but it might give you an insight what the charlatans have been blubbering about without any sense what they're talking about.
Svedenborg (there is a city in Sweden named in honor to him) was a true visionary with clear openness to spiritual world, being able to see things and events trough space and time.
bee
Jo-it is of no importance what so ever if Einstein believed in God or he did not. Einstein was a mathematician-physicist-intellectual. Spiritual world is of a totally different nature (intellect helps though) so is understanding of spiritual world and how it manifests itself. Einstein had plenty of exercise and depth in intellect, but pretty much close to 0 in spiritual experience. Sad, but true. Hawkings is as confused as a spiritual being as my poor student Camille, in spite of his intellectual power.
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Yep, Bee, this is a funny twist of mind how some persons are giving credit to the thoughts of someone else in all fields just because he/she has been recognized as the top in one field of activity.
In our western wold, since le siècle des lumières (sorry, sorry, I do not have time to search for the translation of this term, right now) the intellect was adored like the new and sole idol. But Einstein himself was not an adorator of the sole intellect. He was believing in "something". Have a nice folks
In our western wold, since le siècle des lumières (sorry, sorry, I do not have time to search for the translation of this term, right now) the intellect was adored like the new and sole idol. But Einstein himself was not an adorator of the sole intellect. He was believing in "something". Have a nice folks
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"He can love the shape of human beings, the fine and twisted shapes of the heart. It is good to have among us such men, such balancing monsters of love."
Leonard Cohen
Beautiful Losers
"...it is of no importance what so ever if Einstein believed in God or he did not" and
Einstein had "pretty much close to 0 in spiritual experience"??? Wherever did you get that from? and
"Hawkings is as confused as a spiritual being as my poor student Camille.."
"this is a funny twist of mind how some persons are giving credit to the thoughts of someone else in all fields just because he/she has been recognized as the top in one field of activity"
So here we go again - the true believers incapable of stringing two rational thoughts together and incapable of logical discussion or comment without denigrating those who have differing beliefs and trying to shove their own beliefs down every infidel's throat.
I've been down this path too many times before - reply and respond to your heart's content in your attempts to convince yourself that beliefs differing from yours couldn't possibly have any validity - I'm outta here - permanently.
Einstein had "pretty much close to 0 in spiritual experience"??? Wherever did you get that from? and
"Hawkings is as confused as a spiritual being as my poor student Camille.."
"this is a funny twist of mind how some persons are giving credit to the thoughts of someone else in all fields just because he/she has been recognized as the top in one field of activity"
So here we go again - the true believers incapable of stringing two rational thoughts together and incapable of logical discussion or comment without denigrating those who have differing beliefs and trying to shove their own beliefs down every infidel's throat.
I've been down this path too many times before - reply and respond to your heart's content in your attempts to convince yourself that beliefs differing from yours couldn't possibly have any validity - I'm outta here - permanently.
"... to make a pale imitation of reality with twenty-six juggled letters"
"... all words are lies because they can only represent one of many levels of being"
Sober noises of morning in a marginal land.
"... all words are lies because they can only represent one of many levels of being"
Sober noises of morning in a marginal land.
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Bee I haven't read Svedenborg, and I can appreciate your scepticism of the concept of mediums. It is not proven and it is very much a faith. There are charltans around but I do believe that some people have a gift.
What is your opinion of Joan of Arc?
I don't know if you believe in God but that is just a faith there is no proof. People believe what comforts them.
What is your opinion of Joan of Arc?
I don't know if you believe in God but that is just a faith there is no proof. People believe what comforts them.
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It's not so strange is it? Since the beginning of time wo/man has been afraid of so much. The elements, prey just plain survival. The world must have seemed so mysterious and dangerous for so long.
Now, we know more, but we're still afraid, in need of comfort. There seems to be so much lacking in our own personal lives, things that frighten us that we have no control over, that at times, it seems so right to look for comfort in the old familiar. Even though we've advanced as a culture, as people, we still haven't got our fears/emotions under control. This, I guess, is what some say seperates us from the animals.
Anyway, I can understand it, although I find it so hard to believe (such a paradox!) - I guess this is why we have followed people with seemingly brilliant theories. Here I am, rambling again. This topic I've given much thought to over the years. Hard to sum it up in a post
I think we can all say that. So, to summarize another long and pointless waste of virutal ink, 'to each their own'.
Linda.
Now, we know more, but we're still afraid, in need of comfort. There seems to be so much lacking in our own personal lives, things that frighten us that we have no control over, that at times, it seems so right to look for comfort in the old familiar. Even though we've advanced as a culture, as people, we still haven't got our fears/emotions under control. This, I guess, is what some say seperates us from the animals.
Anyway, I can understand it, although I find it so hard to believe (such a paradox!) - I guess this is why we have followed people with seemingly brilliant theories. Here I am, rambling again. This topic I've given much thought to over the years. Hard to sum it up in a post
I think we can all say that. So, to summarize another long and pointless waste of virutal ink, 'to each their own'. Linda.
Einstein said a lot of stuff about God, religion and spirituality including:
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science"
and
”My religion consists of a humble admiration for the illimitable superior spirit who revels himself in the slightest details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind”
and
"God is subtle but he is not malicious"
and (for Linda)
"True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all one's goodness and righteousness"
Spirituality is such an individual thing. Twenty people will say God and be thinking twenty different things about it when you get down to specifics. In generalities though I think there would be a common theme.
As far as the afterlife and mediums (or larges or smalls) go, my friend went to a medium/psychic and most of the things he told her turned out to be true. But then I wonder whether his predictions made her open to possibilities she otherwise would not have taken on? It was beneficial to her anyway.
I hope that after this life we get a nice long sleep, and then we can think about other activities, when we are rested.
It's kind of nice to think you may have a collective audience of people you have lost in this life, guiding you. I often speak to the dead, if you know what I mean (not in a raving loony way but to remember them and let them know I still think about their presence in my world) but it's more to have the chance to think outside my own mindset.
Jo, don't go you cool witch-chick, we need you!
Tchoco I'm a bit surprised at you, or maybe I misunderstood your post.
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science"
and
”My religion consists of a humble admiration for the illimitable superior spirit who revels himself in the slightest details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind”
and
"God is subtle but he is not malicious"
and (for Linda)
"True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all one's goodness and righteousness"
Spirituality is such an individual thing. Twenty people will say God and be thinking twenty different things about it when you get down to specifics. In generalities though I think there would be a common theme.
As far as the afterlife and mediums (or larges or smalls) go, my friend went to a medium/psychic and most of the things he told her turned out to be true. But then I wonder whether his predictions made her open to possibilities she otherwise would not have taken on? It was beneficial to her anyway.
I hope that after this life we get a nice long sleep, and then we can think about other activities, when we are rested.
It's kind of nice to think you may have a collective audience of people you have lost in this life, guiding you. I often speak to the dead, if you know what I mean (not in a raving loony way but to remember them and let them know I still think about their presence in my world) but it's more to have the chance to think outside my own mindset.
Jo, don't go you cool witch-chick, we need you!
Tchoco I'm a bit surprised at you, or maybe I misunderstood your post.
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That's sort of how I feel about this board. A collection of dead people that have no choice but to listen to me ramble on.
Sorry, I'm just stunned sometimes. Seriously. Seriously, though I think this board is a good way to try and connect (with the living Insanitor).
What I mean is this: Some people, such as myself, have a difficult time trying to convey what they feel. Those that are close to me accept me as I am. I wanted to expand my 'close circle of friends' so, I came here. I came to this site because of LC and the type of people I thought a love for LC might bring. I thought/did well.
It takes time to get to know people and when one does, the usual things happen. Spats, kindness, jealousies, reaching out. All the things we find in our day to day friendships. What is different here is that the anonymity keeps us a bit seperated. Maybe we can speak a little more freely than we ordinarily would as we don't see our audience. We don't really know most of the people we talk to. It's almost like submitting a manuscript to someone and when they respond kindly, you/we/I feel good. When they don't, you/we/I might think about what went wrong but we don't feel too badly about it, as there is a bit of a seperation, a distance between us.
So, in my opinion, this is not a diary, but a ... a... telephone conversation with my dotty old aunt who doesn't remember me but listens
anyway.
Man, do I need help. Notice, please, a lot of my questions do not have question marks. Why? Because the question are rhetorical. I had a thought, it got lost. I must go find it.
Adios,
Linda.
Sorry, I'm just stunned sometimes. Seriously. Seriously, though
I think this board is a good way to try and connect (with the living Insanitor).What I mean is this: Some people, such as myself, have a difficult time trying to convey what they feel. Those that are close to me accept me as I am. I wanted to expand my 'close circle of friends' so, I came here. I came to this site because of LC and the type of people I thought a love for LC might bring. I thought/did well.
It takes time to get to know people and when one does, the usual things happen. Spats, kindness, jealousies, reaching out. All the things we find in our day to day friendships. What is different here is that the anonymity keeps us a bit seperated. Maybe we can speak a little more freely than we ordinarily would as we don't see our audience. We don't really know most of the people we talk to. It's almost like submitting a manuscript to someone and when they respond kindly, you/we/I feel good. When they don't, you/we/I might think about what went wrong but we don't feel too badly about it, as there is a bit of a seperation, a distance between us.
So, in my opinion, this is not a diary, but a ... a... telephone conversation with my dotty old aunt who doesn't remember me but listens
anyway.
Man, do I need help. Notice, please, a lot of my questions do not have question marks. Why? Because the question are rhetorical. I had a thought, it got lost. I must go find it.
Adios,
Linda.
JO- so where do you go again? What is your hysteria about?So here we go again - the true believers incapable of stringing two rational thoughts together and incapable of logical discussion or comment without denigrating those who have differing beliefs and trying to shove their own beliefs down every infidel's throat.
What kind of beliefs were I trying to shove down your throat? I expressed the very rational and completely logical idea-that spirituality and intellect are of a different nature. Also-it is not my original idea, you can learn that by studying philosophy and theology, thus your screams are wrongly addressed. Since you used Einstein as a highest example of the one, whose opinion on spiritual world, creation, God would be the most valid, I opposed to that by saying, that his intellectual power cannot bee compared with that of spiritual knowledge or experience. I think my friend, this time you have to blame yourself for not being rational.
And if you are opposed to spirituality and the subject we are discussing here, if that irritates you so much, if you are feeling that you have been preached on some religious stuff-it has not happened yet.
You have a choice to participate or not. But there is no reason to take such offense, in any case-none was intended.Even more- you've been pretty rude -
- on what basis you are charging me or anyone else with this statement?the true believers incapable of stringing two rational thoughts together and incapable of logical discussion
Now I have to go back and read some of your posts and see- is there the capability of rational thoughts and logical discussion. I'll be patient and do the work on that, because it feels like you have given yourself quite a bit of a free ride
bee
Linda, I think one of the factors that makes for misunderstanding is that we come to this forum as a break in our non-virtual lives, and just have time to read or thrash out a post without thinking too much what "mood" we were in last time or this time. Also, it's hard to convey what you think in one little box. Then if you go away for a while, you are forgotten or remembered in a way that may not coincide with your personal measure of self.
Also the more one writes the less one makes sense.... (just me)
bee I'm interested - on what basis do you say that Einstein had "pretty much close to 0 in spiritual experience?"
Tchoco - I see what you mean about a tendancy to think that success in one field can be applied to other areas in the successful individuals lives (see celebrity worship) but it doesn't mean that exceptional people can't be great at more than one thing. Or great at two things and crap at others.
Also the more one writes the less one makes sense....
(just me)bee I'm interested - on what basis do you say that Einstein had "pretty much close to 0 in spiritual experience?"
Tchoco - I see what you mean about a tendancy to think that success in one field can be applied to other areas in the successful individuals lives (see celebrity worship) but it doesn't mean that exceptional people can't be great at more than one thing. Or great at two things and crap at others.
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
Buddha
Buddha