Judy Collins Dublin February 15th

[daveeliver]

Hi John,
My memory is not as good as yours, but the set list seems similar.
She also sang a few songs from her forthcomimg album Paradise and a fine version of Danny Boy.


She spoke about Sarah Palin and mentioned that she will be appearing at Glastonbury this coming June.(Judy Collins not ***)
I think she was also about to say that she hoped Liverppol beat Everton tomorrow but ran out of time..

She was interviewed on the local radio station on the afternoon of the show, and the interview and songs can be heard on the bbciplayer at about 27mins 30 secs and lasts for about 25 minutes.
Reading other posts I think this facility is only available for British computer users.
I haven't heard it but it may be interesting even though Billy Butler is the interviewer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 ... 4_02_2010/

Bored this afternoon and after a liquid lunch I found this version of her singing Song to Bernadette on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNFNaMNYUo8

[Byron]

I would have liked to go and see Judy with Dave, but unfortunately I was 'unable' to. Given a choice between seeing her or Ms Palin, it would be a difficult decision. What to do ???
Enjoy a evening with an attractive lady of a certain age who knows a lot about American politics and who is revered by so many, OR, enjoy an evening with an attractive lady of a certain age who would regale us all with tall stories and make us laugh. I guess the former would be my choice. Judy.

[Byron]

I saw her in London the other day, in a venue which also has a 350 capacity, but tickets were still on sale on the day of the concert. She managed a contrived and gratuitous attack on Sarah Palin. Perhaps Ms Sarah has messed with her head

For someone who clearly has an axe to grind with Judy, why the hell did you go and see her ?? Or did you get upset because she has a mind of her own, not only able to write beautiful lyrics and melodies, but also able to express a political viewpoint that you can't stomach. I sense the pervading aroma of your very own sour grapes....

[John Etherington]

Byron - I suspect Sarah Palin could attract a huge crowd of clubbers...especially the ones who like clubbing baby seals!

[efc]

EFC scrawled......
"I don't agree with your rather breathless and gushing account, but my main focus is that I see your "I find it amazing that you still see an artist of this calibre in such an intimate venue for a mere £20" as a silly bit of spin. The reason she was in a small venue for £20 was because the demand is not there. If the infinitely more popular Sarah Palin spoke in such a small venue then that would be quite something."


"If the infinitely more popular Sarah Palin spoke in such a small venue then that would be quite something."


I agree. It would be quite something. I'd go so far as to say quite remarkable. I'd even say unbelievable. How about totally gobsmacking. But let's not forget quite earth-shatteringly, splendiforous. And of course, total BLX.

I'm afraid I have difficulty in translating your comments

[efc]

Hi John,
My memory is not as good as yours, but the set list seems similar.
She also sang a few songs from her forthcomimg album Paradise and a fine version of Danny Boy.


She spoke about Sarah Palin and mentioned that she will be appearing at Glastonbury this coming June.(Judy Collins not ***)
I think she was also about to say that she hoped Liverppol beat Everton tomorrow but ran out of time..

She spoke about Sarah Palin again did she, nicely I'm sure.

Don't worry about Liverpool beating Everton, I've much enjoyed Liverpool's sundry disasters this season. And let's thank the man above for saving Henning from seeing them

[efc]

I would have liked to go and see Judy with Dave, but unfortunately I was 'unable' to. Given a choice between seeing her or Ms Palin, it would be a difficult decision. What to do ???
Enjoy a evening with an attractive lady of a certain age who knows a lot about American politics and who is revered by so many, OR, enjoy an evening with an attractive lady of a certain age who would regale us all with tall stories and make us laugh. I guess the former would be my choice. Judy.

Does Collins really know about American politics, or is it that you share her views. Anyway "revered" is rather stretching a point, as is "so many". After all she struggles to sell out the tiniest of venues. Palin on the other hand is hugely popular. Perhaps Collins is jealous

[efc]

I saw her in London the other day, in a venue which also has a 350 capacity, but tickets were still on sale on the day of the concert. She managed a contrived and gratuitous attack on Sarah Palin. Perhaps Ms Sarah has messed with her head

For someone who clearly has an axe to grind with Judy, why the hell did you go and see her ?? Or did you get upset because she has a mind of her own, not only able to write beautiful lyrics and melodies, but also able to express a political viewpoint that you can't stomach. I sense the pervading aroma of your very own sour grapes....

I'll type this slowly to help you understand.

I wanted to see Collins in concert. During the course of that concert that sweet Collins gratuitously attacked a fellow human being, and a lot of the people in the small crowd enjoyed that (there's a moral there). I was not impressed, I had gone to listen to music not some unpleasantness. And why do these performers, because it's just not just Collins, feel they have to do this stuff. Do they think that everyone in the venue is part of their group-think, or do they not care that other people who have paid to see her perform would not appreciate their comments, and are therefore, in a sense, excluded from the event. You'd think Collins and her ilk would give it a rest now that Bush has gone, but clearly they have to find someone else to attack.

I'm not saying that Collins' performance was devoid of merit. She sang other people's songs nicely enough, and her account of her runny nose was a hoot, but the fact you share Collins' views of Palin doesn't preclude me from providing some perspective.

[John Etherington]

I am sure that Judy Collins did not wish Sarah Palin any personal harm...it's just that what Palin stands for represents everything that virtually the whole of the Greenwich village community, the Sixties love generation, and anyone with the remotest degree of consciousness, have sought to overturn! efc may not realise it, but the singers who represent all of these movements actually carry a message in their songs and words, rather than just sing pretty tunes.

[efc]

I am sure that Judy Collins did not wish Sarah Palin any personal harm...it's just that what Palin stands for represents everything that virtually the whole of the Greenwich village community, the Sixties love generation, and anyone with the remotest degree of consciousness, have sought to overturn! efc may not realise it, but the singers who represent all of these movements actually carry a message in their songs and words, rather than just sing pretty tunes.

So Collins is so wonderful that she couldn't help but launch a pre-meditated attack on Palin. Lol

What do these Greenwich Village types, the ones with "the remotest degree of consciousness" who are so against everything Palin, think of her deciding to have her Down's Syndrome child.

I have seen enough Liberal attacks (eg people wishing Karl Rove dead) to know that certain Liberals wish harm for people who think differently. Obama's hero Saul Alinsky is an example. So I'll make no assumptions one way or the other about Collins' attitude towards Palin. In other words I'll keep an open mind.

As for your "efc may not realise it, but the singers who represent all of these movements actually carry a message in their songs and words, rather than just sing pretty tunes", you must have missed the fact that my complaint about Collins had nothing to do with that. As you well know it was all about her attack on Palin.

[John Etherington]

I'd like to point out to readers of this thread and the moderators what is actually going on, here...since efc gets little attention in the politics section, he's now dragging political discussion into other areas of the site. I advise the moderators to pay careful attention to the posts here, and delete any posts where they feel that discussion has been provoked that is not relevant to the main topic. Note the definition of internet trolls - people who repeatedly post messages in an internet community where their views are generally not welcome, and with the intention of causing disruption (sad people)!

[Byron]

John E. I have a simple answer to such interlopers.

I set the username of certain persons to 'Foe' in my personal profile settings.

What happens is that whenever one of those people contributes to a thread such as this one, all that shows on my screen is that '******' has posted, and I ignore that/those posting(s).

As far as your latest posting is concerned, I too have sent the definition of a Troll to various friends on the Forum.

It is important that the moderators are informed of anything which becomes 'suspect,' especially as a theme starts to emerge. For example, a thread in which the influences of Zen lifestyles are discussed, becomes a place where Margaret Thatcher, Attila The Hun, Adolf Hitler and Sarah Palin are constantly appearing with repetative nauseum.

I can say that I seldom notice the short line which tells me that someone I want to ignore has actually sent a contribution to an ongoing thread. It leaves me totally free to enjoy other people's postings.

[John Etherington]

Byron - the only problem with the "Foe" idea (when it appears in an innapropriate thread) is that the "Foe" will have influenced subsequent posts, which means that you can then get drawn in, indirectly. Anyway, I like your "example" - you have obviously chosen the names with great care!

All the best, John E

[Tony]

I don't think the moderators have noticed recent trends otherwise they would have done something. However, I have to say that I do occasionally enjoy reading such off topic rants as it makes me realise how this forum actually acts as a social service at times.

[John Etherington]

Tony - inevitably all subjects will come to the surface at some point, because the unfoldment of a musical counter-culture through the protest singers, Dylan, Leonard, Neil Young and everyone else that most of us hold dear has encouraged people to think about political hypocrisy, social injustices, spiritual matters etc when discussing music. However, when posters start to show pathological tendencies in their reactions to such things, there are limits as to how far other forum members can act as psychotherapists!

All the best, John E