The socalled devils music.

[KjeXXXer]

Old-timey? Is this some obscure genre, or a phrase you've coined yourself?

[lazariuk]

Old-timey? Is this some obscure genre, or a phrase you've coined yourself?

Old-timey music is the kind of American folk music that gave birth to Blue grass music.

I'm interjecting into this thread becuause I have been enjoying reading some of the comments being amde about modern music and the title made me think about the fact that Robert Fripp, founder of King Crimson did the music for Microsoft Vista.

I found that out when looking at some essays that he wrote on trance music. Very interesting essays.
Got interested in trance music, house music, dance music, remixes, dj's stuff, E music
when a friend who lived with me for a while would spend 12 hours a day with the stuff and a mixer.

Into some of the mixes I got him to include things like John Coltrane riffs, Nina Simone doing Sinnerman and some Leonard Cohen stuff. I was surprised by how well Leonard's music fit the genre.

So this is my round about way of trying to see if you young music lovers have any interest in that kind of music, trance, and what you might say about it.

[Teratogen]

Yes.... the Devil went down to Georgia.

[KjeXXXer]

Old-timey? Is this some obscure genre, or a phrase you've coined yourself?

Old-timey music is the kind of American folk music that gave birth to Blue grass music.

I'm interjecting into this thread becuause I have been enjoying reading some of the comments being amde about modern music and the title made me think about the fact that Robert Fripp, founder of King Crimson did the music for Microsoft Vista.

I found that out when looking at some essays that he wrote on trance music. Very interesting essays.
Got interested in trance music, house music, dance music, remixes, dj's stuff, E music
when a friend who lived with me for a while would spend 12 hours a day with the stuff and a mixer.

Into some of the mixes I got him to include things like John Coltrane riffs, Nina Simone doing Sinnerman and some Leonard Cohen stuff. I was surprised by how well Leonard's music fit the genre.

So this is my round about way of trying to see if you young music lovers have any interest in that kind of music, trance, and what you might say about it.

Trance is the uttermost shite I've ever heard. Sorry.

[lazariuk]

Trance is the uttermost shite I've ever heard. Sorry.

Gee don't be sorry. I asked for your opinion. For the most part I feel the same but there where some moments when I thought I was getting the point of it. (I was heavily sedated after some operations) but my interest is mostly curiousity at seeing people like Robert Fripp and Peter Gabriel getting involved in it as well as having some people I have a lot of respect for telling me that they like it a lot.

I've formed no conclusions.

[KjeXXXer]

Yeah, ok. I just hate it with a passion, the sounds emplyed just really disagrees with me. A woman I know loves it, and I love her so I have had to suffer through some songs. The relationship is all but over, so now I hate it even more.

Luckily, this isn't the trance thread. This is the Metal thread.

[lazariuk]

Yeah, ok. I just hate it with a passion, the sounds emplyed just really disagrees with me. A woman I know loves it, and I love her so I have had to suffer through some songs. The relationship is all but over, so now I hate it even more.

Luckily, this isn't the trance thread. This is the Metal thread.

oh these threads have a way of strange connections. It does get complicated if we love someone and hate their music. It might be a way to punish someone for loving you, making them listen.

[KjeXXXer]

Well I made her listen to alot of Cohen and Seven Spanish Angels, all of which she hates, so I guess I had it coming.

[Christine]

But I recommend to you:
System Of A Down - Mezmerize/Hypnotize
Mastodon - Remission; Leviathan; Blood Mountain

SofAD's a friend of mine's favorite band which is how I got introduced to their music. And I gotta agree -- this is a terrific song. For those of you following this thread that haven't heard it.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTtuNseSjuo

And even tho' this is the metal tread (and since I'm in my forties, I probably shouldn't share this), I gotta tell you that I also love Rise Against (like Lazariuk says, threads have a way of strange connections). And Linkin Park's a favorite of mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5sx7OFPGOY
I love this with Jay Z too.

Only jumpin' in with you guys for a second.... great thread!!!

[Teratogen]

Sorry. All nu-metal is garbage. The great classic rock of the '70s from bands like Zeppelin, Sabbath, the Doors, Hendrix, Floyd, and several other rockers inspired the rock and roll of the '80s, which more often than not found itself in the pop market as heavy metal. To us it doesn't seem that heavy if we think of it now. It seems quite ridiculous. Some of it was glam rock, some just metal, and others also punk rock, which became prevalent in the late '70s/early '80s. Out of the punk rock and heavy metal movements of the '80s came grunge and the rise of industrial in the early '90s. Since the 1950's rock and roll has evolved and shared with us all of its greatest moments ever. Then when it seemed the grunge and industrial movements began to wane in the mid-to-late '90s, it seemed as if people stopped caring--even the performers. It became a disgusting hybrid of guys who thought they were either tough shit (Fred Durst) or were just a bunch of whiners (Jonathan Davis) and the quality of rock music was just sucked into a vacuum and never heard from again. Now that nu-metal has safely passed on it has destroyed all that was wonderful about rock music and left this wasteland of junk that became saturated with whatever was left from the pop rock reject stable that continues to make horrifying attempts at reviving what they believe to be rock music. They call this music emo/post-hardcore, etc. It's really quite disheartening. Nu-metal killed everything good about rock and roll. Without Chuck Berry there would be no Beatles. Without Beatles there would be no Bowie. Without Bowie there would be no Trent Reznor. Without Reznor there would be no Linkin Park. And without Linkin Park the world of rock music history was a plethora of greatness.

[KjeXXXer]

I never really cared much for rock, so I wouldn't know.

[Manna]

Hey T, where does "Alternative" fit into your analysis, if it does at all? I'm curious because of something that happened in my teen years, which were early 90s. I had been a pop-radio-listener since about 5th grade, never knowing that better things existed than what my sheltered little life had already happened upon. Certain friends and other experiences in my teens showed me that better stuff did exist, and I went into as much pursuit as a poor kid with no allowance could afford. I had heard this term, alternative, and I had tried to figure out what it meant. Somehow I got the idea that it meant, stuff-not-played-on-pop-radio-ergo-inclusive-of-things-alternative-to-pop. So when my classmates and other acqaintances asked me what my ear-palate was like, I said I flavoured alternative for lack of knowing a better word.

One day after school and some kind of practice, I was sitting in the hall with my pals listening to Enya waiting for the parental chauffeur. A boy I knew, but didn't like very well, Clem, came by and started rolling his eyes. He said, "Enya?" and he retched as though suddenly poisoned.

A few days later, I was wearing a Primus T-shirt. Clem and I were in art class together and he said to me, "No, no, no. You cannot like Enya and Primus."
"Well," I said, "Why not?"
"Cause Primus is like Alternative and Enya is like..." he waved Angel-palsy-fairy-hand-wings around in the air.
I said, "Isn't Enya alternative?" (She didn't have radio time as far as I knew back then.)
"Chah!" said he. Then he stammered and grunted for a bit before walking away in disgust.

Nowadays when I ask people what alternative means, they seem to have a very specific set of ideas about what is or isn't alternative. But I still don't get it. Sorry, I've lost track of most modern music. I think some group called Nine Inch Nails comes up now and then, but I only ever heard a very little of what they did/do, and I never felt attracted to it enough to find out if I might like it. If you (or anyone, really) can explain this term to me in a way that doesn't rely on naming specific bands that I probably don't know, I would appreciate it. Just out of curiosity.

ps. I don't really care for Enya or Primus anymore.

[KjeXXXer]

Nine Inch Nails are Industrial, as far as I know.
Sadly, I have no idea or interest in what the definition of alternative is. Sorry.

[blonde madonna]

Manna, I can give you an Australian perspective on alternative music, interchangeable sometimes with indie, punk-influenced or just non-mainstream. I think it was born out of the punk revolt, in the 1980s. We have a governement funded radio station Triple J who champions alternative music and releases a top 100 CD every year that is always a good selection of music if you aren't into mainstream pop. I noticed one of the clips Christine (good on ya girl!) posted was ripped from our ABC-TV Rage that plays non-mainstream video clips overnight every weekend.

Australian alternative bands include Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Silverchair, The Vines and Eskimo Joe.

KjeXXXer, heavy metal opera lover , sorry to butt in here, I'm getting the vibe you don't care much for the alternatives!

ps Just to bring it back to LC, he is considered mainstream or popular in my local music store.

[Teratogen]

Good point you bring up, Manna. The term "Alternative" started getting thrown around during that time you mention, in the early-to-mid '90s where it became quite prevalent. I believe it mostly manifested out of the punk-to-new wave scene, hid under a rock and added some guitars when grunge came around. Y'know, most of our generation grew up on MTV and at that time MTV was a workhorse and champion for good music. Nowadays they've changed their tune and it is rather quite appalling the kind of baseless and senseless programming they have on their channel. It sickens me to say I was once an avid MTV viewer. Now, during that time in the mid-'90s I recall one very specific artist that was most commonly and clearly labeled as Alternative, and that was Beck. I became quite a big fan of his around that time and I believe he was voted Best Male Performer three years in a row at the annual MTV Video Music Awards. To me Beck was the end-all-be-all Alternative artist. But don't feel discouraged of your lack of understanding of the term because really I don't think there is a clear-cut definition. Now I mainly think it's a miscellaneous group that wasn't quite rock, wasn't quite pop, but certainly was accessible. I, for one, dislike the idea of labeling music. Doing so sometimes, however, as in my previous post, only makes for easier interpretation and discussion. I tend to think of all of it in the bigger picture as just rock music. As an artist myself the music I create as a whole could never ever fit into one specific category, except the generic "rock" category. My style is chameleon-like to where I shift to different genres all the time. But back to the Alternative thing, I've heard Nine Inch Nails--as you mentioned--labeled as Alternative, but then I've also heard Pearl Jam labeled as Alternative. These days, especially on music sites such as allmusic.com there are genres and sub-genres to help identify a particular sound when describing one artist or band. I wouldn't necessarily consider Enya to be Alternative though. It's really light and earthy stuff. Wouldn't exactly call it rock either. It's too elemental. Nine Inch Nails has been one of my favorite bands for most of my life. Their first album came out in 1989 and basically took the underground industrial movement to the forefront, which spawned a great deal of followers and new bands of the genre emerging. Of course, their sound drastically changed with each album. If you are at all interested the aforementioned site allmusic.com really does have great reviews, bios, and artist info to which you can read up on. Not only that but they have their own picks of top songs from a vast majority of popular artists' albums and most of them even have 30-second clips to listen to. For someone who at one point listening to Enya AND Primus (great band, by the way--also heavily labeled as Alternative), I believe you'll be quite entertained by Nine Inch Nails.