Muffins or War

Dairy Farmer · Post by **Dairy Farmer** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:22 pm

I am not a butcher, I am a *DAIRY FARMER*. There is such a philosophical difference, can't you see.

paula_hansen · Post by **paula_hansen** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:14 pm

I don't think you need feel so bad about yourself, DF. In this group are many different people, all struggling with their identity and the Path of LIfe. In Leonard Cohen they see a Christian salvation, a way to find G-d and listen to good music as well.

I don't think that your job disqualifies you from walking with other Men. Indeed, as Jesus loves us all, he must necessaium love Dairy Farmers!

Try to find the healing powers of muffins and War, when *just* and not too many people die.Cohen has seen the Way and so can you.

John the Shorts · Post by **John the Shorts** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:26 pm

Paula H

I have spent a great deal of this thread agreeing with you but LC does not represent a Christian salvation (If anything wouldn't it be a Judaic or Zen salvation). What LC offers is a Musical Salvation, far more beneficial than any secular salvation.

Dairy Farmer

I've been a Vegetarian but your arguments are very convincing - starting from this moment I am becoming a Vegan.

JTS (What next - Fruitarian?)

John the Shorts · Post by **John the Shorts** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:31 pm

Now I've gone and done it!

A consequence (Unintended) of becoming a Vegan is that now I'll no longer be able to post on this thread. As a Pacifist I cannot vote for any war, as a Vegan I cannot vote for muffins (nor any of the sundry coverings that contain dairy products)

Woe, woe is me

JTS (I bid this thread adieu)

Dairy Farmer · Post by **Dairy Farmer** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:19 pm

I see your bid of a Jew and raise it one Christian, John The Short Baptist.

paula_hansen · Post by **paula_hansen** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 8:38 pm

DF, I do not find religion a subject to make jokes about. If you know anything about Leonard Cohen it may be that he has no sense of humour at all. He is dour and serious, like Our Lord. I suggest you take time away from your herds and join the biggest Herd of all!

I was born-again once and it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 8:59 pm

Paula H. ~

Leonard has a magnificent sense of humour, though wry and witty, hence not always immediately recognizable to all. However, it remains that anyone who knows anything at all about Leonard Cohen knows this to be the truth.

~ Lizzytysh

paula_hansen · Post by **paula_hansen** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:56 pm

well, it seems to me Lizzytish that it is a matter of opinion! Can you give me an example of Leonard's alleged humour????!!!

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:46 am

His humour is paramount in a lot of his songs.

EG "Tower of Song" "I was born like this I had no choice I was born with the gift of a GOLDEN voice"

Have you never seen a video of him. He has a lovely dry humour. If you can't see it you should look to yourself.

I also hope your conclusion comcerning people who like Leonard was a joke. If it wasn't once again you should look to yourself. If that is how you perceive us to be that would suppose you also perceived yourself in that mould. How can you equate being a BAC if you are then saying Leonard is a way to Christian salvation.

And what is meant by "Cohen has found the way"?

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:06 am

Dear Paula H. ~

I'm sorry, but no, I won't give examples. Paula has already given you one. There are many others. I could easily give more, but when I think of doing so, I think of Leonard himself in interviews, and how he politely sidesteps explaining meaning [s] for interviewers.

I feel the same with explaining his humour. It's there to be found and will be the richer for your having found it yourself. It may require your looking at things from several different angles, but that in itself is a great exercise.

Have you read many [or any] of his interviews in Jarkko's interviews sections, or seen any videotapings or heard any tapes of him being interviewed? I wish you much appreciative laughter and a great learning experience.

~ Lizzytysh

Jo · Post by Jo » Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:15 am

Seems to me humour is much misunderstood in this forum - unless it's the slap (you in the face) and tickle kind - but maybe I mislaid mine and accidentally picked up someone elses.

Jo

paula_hansen · Post by **paula_hansen** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:08 am

How can one *mislay* humour? That really is beyond me. As for Tower of Song, I'm afraid to disagree but although Leonard has many great qualities, lyrics, drums etc. I do not think he has a Golden Voice at all. Listen to it more carefully, it is croaky and not sexy like modern singers such as Robert Williams or his Dad, Andy.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:14 pm

.....and, speaking of Golden Voice, what *would* you consider humour, Paula H.? Actually, I prefer to take that statement of his literally, but then it's always had a golden effect on me, so it *must* be golden, right?

paula_hansen · Post by **paula_hansen** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:58 pm

My sense of humour is a Christian one only. For example, "why did the Christian get baptised a second time?" "because she was born again!"

This sort of joke is brilliant as it has a suprise punch-line and also shows the Way.

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:42 pm

Paula H - I agree he hasn't got a golden voice. It is called irony and his music is awash with irony and thinly disguised humour. Perhaps it is too thinly disguised for you.

Having seen the joke you offered I suspect his humour might go over your head. Still we are all different

Muffins or War

Muffins (lightly toasted with perhaps a little strawberry jelly) or a *just* War with not very many casulaties

Muffins (lightly toasted with perhaps a little strawberry jelly) or a just War with not very many casulaties