Hermitage~I agree GWB is NOT a smart guy. And i agree totally about Mccain. He has proven himself to be honorable and trustworthy in my eyes.
My comment about peer pressure was in reference to the USA as a big kid on the block, globally speaking. Who knows what was used for leverage behind the scenes? Or what future promises made? Regards, Laurie
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Lizzy~Yeah, economic is probably what drove the band wagon. I don't think it would have to be anything specific proposed. Kind of a no-brainer reason to want to be "friends" with us(a). Interesting that we seem to be so alike on this issue. I always feel like a lone wolf...turns out i am part (albeit small) of a pack. cheers, L
Hi Laurieak,
I loved your poem, it was very moving. I don't think you have to worry about being in a small pack. Just about everyone here on this board is against GWB and the war. Anyone speaking up for him is usually shot down. I saw where McCleans magazine states where 85 per cent of Canadians hate GWB and hope he is defeated. So you are in good company. I wonder if Leonard is in that 85 per cent?
I loved your poem, it was very moving. I don't think you have to worry about being in a small pack. Just about everyone here on this board is against GWB and the war. Anyone speaking up for him is usually shot down. I saw where McCleans magazine states where 85 per cent of Canadians hate GWB and hope he is defeated. So you are in good company. I wonder if Leonard is in that 85 per cent?
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I would love to join in this thread But I made a public promise to George Gordon that I wouldn't mention *** or *** or *** or ******, so you'll have to do without my fourpence worth. Sorry. But I think you'll have some idea of where my thoughts lay.
To those who hate the astericks, I have to say I hate the damn things as well, but I'm muzzled and can only mumble. I made a promise and I have to stick by it. Best regards from lupine
To those who hate the astericks, I have to say I hate the damn things as well, but I'm muzzled and can only mumble. I made a promise and I have to stick by it. Best regards from lupine
"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
I think Leonard would be very diplomatic if asked a question about GWB. However, diplomacy and personal views can be worlds apart. I would be amazed, truly amazed, if Leonard favoured GWB.
Laurie ~ Where I live, I'm definitely akin to a lone wolf....a few stragglers with me on it. Here, I'm not really sure. Many have not expressed their views. Those that have and do not favour him, seem to outnumber those who have and do. Yes, I believe the whole world will certainly be watching our election this year. I'm definitely with you.
~ Lizzy
Laurie ~ Where I live, I'm definitely akin to a lone wolf....a few stragglers with me on it. Here, I'm not really sure. Many have not expressed their views. Those that have and do not favour him, seem to outnumber those who have and do. Yes, I believe the whole world will certainly be watching our election this year. I'm definitely with you.
~ Lizzy
This is a bounce back to page one and my tatoo comment. I just remembered a Cohen specific incident. And really self indulgent, just slap me.
Somewhere along the way at the tatoo parlor, I and the finely grizzled lady who owned the place (and did my tat) got to talking about music. I was going to see La Traviata at the Met that night and the juxtaposition of the events was weird (tat/opera). But i digress...I was walking around manhattan with LC in my walkman. It was a profound time visiting that great city. Leonard fit it well. Turned out the tat artist was a fan of Cohen's. I told her i'd send her a faves compilation, something she could play at her shop or take home. I ended up going back there 2 months later and dropped it off myself. So if anyone ends up at Sacred Tattoo on Canal St. and hears Lenny, might be a cd from Alaska. the end, L.
Somewhere along the way at the tatoo parlor, I and the finely grizzled lady who owned the place (and did my tat) got to talking about music. I was going to see La Traviata at the Met that night and the juxtaposition of the events was weird (tat/opera). But i digress...I was walking around manhattan with LC in my walkman. It was a profound time visiting that great city. Leonard fit it well. Turned out the tat artist was a fan of Cohen's. I told her i'd send her a faves compilation, something she could play at her shop or take home. I ended up going back there 2 months later and dropped it off myself. So if anyone ends up at Sacred Tattoo on Canal St. and hears Lenny, might be a cd from Alaska. the end, L.
Laurie 
! ~ I'm friendly-jealous ~ the one thing I said I wanted to do when I was in New York this summer was see an opera at the Met ~ preferably a Puccini one. However, I was told it wouldn't be the season. I don't even need to ask how it was, but if you care to expound, I'm all ears 
! Great juxtaposition, as you said 
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Alaska? Hmm....well, never mind that AK is the abbreviation for Alaska . Why was I thinking you were in California? Is that where you were at, some time ago, and now you're up there? If so, why, where, and for how long?
Ah, yes, Leonard on a walkman as you walk the streets of New York. Perfect! What a great exchange with the woman at the tattoo parlor. She's probably playing it both places now.
~ Lizzy
! ~ I'm friendly-jealous ~ the one thing I said I wanted to do when I was in New York this summer was see an opera at the Met ~ preferably a Puccini one. However, I was told it wouldn't be the season. I don't even need to ask how it was, but if you care to expound, I'm all ears ! Great juxtaposition, as you said .Alaska? Hmm....well, never mind that AK is the abbreviation for Alaska
. Why was I thinking you were in California? Is that where you were at, some time ago, and now you're up there? If so, why, where, and for how long?Ah, yes, Leonard on a walkman as you walk the streets of New York. Perfect! What a great exchange with the woman at the tattoo parlor. She's probably playing it both places now.
~ Lizzy
Coco wrote:Hi Laurieak,
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Just about everyone here on this board is against GWB and the war. Anyone speaking up for him is usually shot down...
I am reminded of the saying, which goes something like this:
I disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Let's challenge and question certain points of view, but not shoot. It would be very very sad to have only people with particular positions feeling welcome on this board, and one can indeed learn something from the very people with whom one disagrees.
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Hermitage, where were you when I needed you?
I was one of a very small number who was bludgeoned to death by certain contributers who happened not to agree with us. Oh well, it's all past history now. And history will continue to repeat itself until we all learn from past history. Unfortunately, Pres Blur et al have made a concerted effort to eradicate any history prior to WWII from my country's educational curriculum. That piece of information is courtesy of Higher Education academia and my own lecturers of very recent years. Orwell was not far out in his predictions. A little over the top for literary licence, but non the less, a very perceptive bit of crystal ball gazing.
If we think something is truly terrible now, we only have to delve into the historical texts to find similar episodes. As I said recently when quoting a Belgian historian on a discussion about the First World War, he said, "The one thing we learn about this war is that we don't learn about war." I am stepping very carefully here to avoid breaking my promise. All I will add is that chickens will always come home to roost and 'them thar chickens is getting close to home.'
I was one of a very small number who was bludgeoned to death by certain contributers who happened not to agree with us. Oh well, it's all past history now. And history will continue to repeat itself until we all learn from past history. Unfortunately, Pres Blur et al have made a concerted effort to eradicate any history prior to WWII from my country's educational curriculum. That piece of information is courtesy of Higher Education academia and my own lecturers of very recent years. Orwell was not far out in his predictions. A little over the top for literary licence, but non the less, a very perceptive bit of crystal ball gazing.
If we think something is truly terrible now, we only have to delve into the historical texts to find similar episodes. As I said recently when quoting a Belgian historian on a discussion about the First World War, he said, "The one thing we learn about this war is that we don't learn about war." I am stepping very carefully here to avoid breaking my promise. All I will add is that chickens will always come home to roost and 'them thar chickens is getting close to home.'
"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
Hermitage~Thanks for speaking up about not shooting the messenger. Opinion can sometimes feel like a personal attack. The written word has so much room for misinterpretation or misconscrued inflection. Disagree but don't attack in a perfect world...Protecting the rights of those whose opinion we disagree i've heard said is the base of freedom of speech. Like when the kkk wants to have a "friendly" parade. Oy. Somtimes it's tough.
Lizz~I think last summer the MET did a special thing with some Russian works. You might want to keep an eye on their website for something this summer.
Besides La Trav, i saw Puccini's La Boheme on this trip, both wonderful. If you can see an opera where Zefferilli was the set director, run don't walk. His staging and costuming is beyond belief.
And I've been in AK since a kid (mid 60's), so the CA connection is not there. You are Wrong Lizzy, just plain wrong! (hehe) cheers, L
Lizz~I think last summer the MET did a special thing with some Russian works. You might want to keep an eye on their website for something this summer.
Besides La Trav, i saw Puccini's La Boheme on this trip, both wonderful. If you can see an opera where Zefferilli was the set director, run don't walk. His staging and costuming is beyond belief.
And I've been in AK since a kid (mid 60's), so the CA connection is not there. You are Wrong Lizzy, just plain wrong! (hehe) cheers, L
Hi All!
I totally agree Hermitage with defending others rights to speak what they believe. But Byron, in the interests of fairness and accuracy, I really do believe that those who supported GWB and the war were on the minority side here on the forum. I tried not to get involved on the War is hell thread (i think that's what it was called) because there was a lot of animosity expressed by both sides. But honestly, the anti-GWB side really pulverized the few pro-war people every time they raised their heads and the thing just kept escalating. A lot of pro-war people's motives were questioned unfairly and vice versa. Sometimes I don't think it will ever be possible not to let emotions get in the way of understanding other people's positions.
I totally agree Hermitage with defending others rights to speak what they believe. But Byron, in the interests of fairness and accuracy, I really do believe that those who supported GWB and the war were on the minority side here on the forum. I tried not to get involved on the War is hell thread (i think that's what it was called) because there was a lot of animosity expressed by both sides. But honestly, the anti-GWB side really pulverized the few pro-war people every time they raised their heads and the thing just kept escalating. A lot of pro-war people's motives were questioned unfairly and vice versa. Sometimes I don't think it will ever be possible not to let emotions get in the way of understanding other people's positions.
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Hello Coco. I hear what you say.
"A lot of pro-war people's motives were questioned unfairly and vice versa."
I haven't gone back to the old thread to refresh my memory because that would be just raking over old hot coals.
Whether 'unfairly' is an accurate term is possibly doubtful.
What I do know is that any quick glance at any of the mutiple media coverages of the current viewpoints regarding the war, will show that there are questions being asked by people far higher up the pecking order than you or I, about the real reasons for taking 2 nuclear powers into a war in the middle east.
I am not going to sit here and go through all the different points of view and various arguments about how, why, where and when etc.
The amount of questioning of what we were all told is increasing as the times passes.
It is the volume and scope of the questions, which I find particularly interesting. Not the minute details, but the fact that more and more of the recognised 'establishment' of governments are asking why there is a change in emphasis in the various 'bullet points' (pun intended) that were paraded before the world and the UN, as the unequivocal reasons for taking action at that time.
My aluding to Orwell was a way of saying that there seems to be an attempt to re-write the history books as far as reasons for arming and attacking are concerned.
I have to agree with other contributions here in which it has been stated that the coming election, will be watched far closer than any other election ever has been. And watched by billions of people all around the world. There is a question mark hanging over the 'credibility' of certain political leaders and I'm reminded of the old quote that "you can fool all of the people some of the time" etc.
I happen to be very concerned with the actions of just a handful of very powerful people. A handful, mark you, not millions, just a handful. Five. Just a handful. No more than that.
There are now others who are openly asking about the credibility of that few. "You can fool all .....etc."
Yes Coco, I do believe that chickens are coming home to roost.
I would not be surprised if a few days before the election, WMD will suddenly and surprisingly be found, and GWB will be swept into a second term, on a wave of exoneration. Watch this space.
"A lot of pro-war people's motives were questioned unfairly and vice versa."
I haven't gone back to the old thread to refresh my memory because that would be just raking over old hot coals.
Whether 'unfairly' is an accurate term is possibly doubtful.
What I do know is that any quick glance at any of the mutiple media coverages of the current viewpoints regarding the war, will show that there are questions being asked by people far higher up the pecking order than you or I, about the real reasons for taking 2 nuclear powers into a war in the middle east.
I am not going to sit here and go through all the different points of view and various arguments about how, why, where and when etc.
The amount of questioning of what we were all told is increasing as the times passes.
It is the volume and scope of the questions, which I find particularly interesting. Not the minute details, but the fact that more and more of the recognised 'establishment' of governments are asking why there is a change in emphasis in the various 'bullet points' (pun intended) that were paraded before the world and the UN, as the unequivocal reasons for taking action at that time.
My aluding to Orwell was a way of saying that there seems to be an attempt to re-write the history books as far as reasons for arming and attacking are concerned.
I have to agree with other contributions here in which it has been stated that the coming election, will be watched far closer than any other election ever has been. And watched by billions of people all around the world. There is a question mark hanging over the 'credibility' of certain political leaders and I'm reminded of the old quote that "you can fool all of the people some of the time" etc.
I happen to be very concerned with the actions of just a handful of very powerful people. A handful, mark you, not millions, just a handful. Five. Just a handful. No more than that.
There are now others who are openly asking about the credibility of that few. "You can fool all .....etc."
Yes Coco, I do believe that chickens are coming home to roost.
I would not be surprised if a few days before the election, WMD will suddenly and surprisingly be found, and GWB will be swept into a second term, on a wave of exoneration. Watch this space.
"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
No surprize to me, Laurie ......I'm wondering if there was a Laurie [without the AK] from California, or if something you said a long time ago just gave me that impression. Doesn't really matter. I'm just wondering. With so many people coming and going here, it's hard to keep track of who's said what, much less where everyone's from 
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Thanks for the tip regarding the Met. I'll check their site. Anything by Puccini would be sublime. Turandot would be out of this world. I've seen a production of La Boheme on film, and it was awesome there. Seeing it in person would be phenomenal. I'll also watch for Zefferilli. Thanks !
~ Lizzy
......I'm wondering if there was a Laurie [without the AK] from California, or if something you said a long time ago just gave me that impression. Doesn't really matter. I'm just wondering. With so many people coming and going here, it's hard to keep track of who's said what, much less where everyone's from .Thanks for the tip regarding the Met. I'll check their site. Anything by Puccini would be sublime. Turandot would be out of this world. I've seen a production of La Boheme on film, and it was awesome there. Seeing it in person would be phenomenal. I'll also watch for Zefferilli. Thanks
!~ Lizzy